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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 05:12:55
Subject: Tau heavy support
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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Hey all so im going through the building process of my tau army and I have come to a bit of a speed bump. Im wondering whether or not to fill up my heavy support slot with a broadside 2 man team or a Hammer head. (The reason I say two instead of 3 is b/c I only have two broadside models) But I have always been a little weary of using hammer heads b/c in place of it I could always get 3 broadsides instead of just one tank. Also I can see a team of Broadside's lasting much longer than 1 tank that fires the same gun at the same range, but less shots that are not twin linked. So am I wrong in thinking that Broadsides are a much better option than Hammerheads and that I should just leave hammer heads out of my army all together?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 05:16:15
Subject: Re:Tau heavy support
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Manhunter
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Yeah but Hammerheads are AV 13, instead of a 2+ armor save. But IMO i'd go for the 2 broadsides. That extra shot sounds worth it, especially if its twin linked.
edit: I dont think broadsides get submunitions so they might not be as good against horde armies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 05:23:58
Subject: Re:Tau heavy support
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Yeah but Hammerheads are AV 13, instead of a 2+ armor save. But IMO i'd go for the 2 broadsides. That extra shot sounds worth it, especially if its twin linked.
edit: I dont think broadsides get submunitions so they might not be as good against horde armies.
Nope they dont get the sub-munition, but the sub munition is strength 6 ap 4 so its much weaker than a rail gun shot. and 3 broadsides equals 3 shots that are twin linked at 72inches so id say its not that much weaker for hordes. And hopefully I will have everything else in my army focused at the blobs since my broadsides did such a good job taking out all the enemy vehicles
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 05:49:53
Subject: Tau heavy support
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Manhunter
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submunitions are large blast IIRC
Well as an IG player i love blast templates.
But again IIRC broadsides are 2+ with 2 wounds at t4. So either one works, i'd go with the broadsides then for the multiple TL shots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 06:05:44
Subject: Tau heavy support
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Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
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I always feared Broadsides when i saw them across the table. They are way harder to deal with than the tank, and the tank has never seemed to hit enough to be a threat.
Can you put sheild drones on them?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 06:12:05
Subject: Tau heavy support
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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sennacherib wrote: I always feared Broadsides when i saw them across the table. They are way harder to deal with than the tank, and the tank has never seemed to hit enough to be a threat.
Can you put sheild drones on them?
you can only put shield drones on a broad side :/ that does sound like it would be a very interesting and cool thing to do tho, to be able t oput shield drones on hammer heads or devil fish
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 06:17:28
Subject: Tau heavy support
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Nimble Glade Rider
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Depends on who you are playing, If I am playing a more Hordish army, IE, Tyr, orks, IG. I tend to use hammerheads, for the template shot. However I have found its best to mix then your broadsides can take down their higher armor stuff, and the hammerhead can focus on the mob. but it depends on your play style.
To my knowledge you cannot put a shield drone on a Broadside, however I do not have my codex on hand.
Also, I agree about the Hammerhead seeming to never actually hit anything, whenever I am going for another tank or MC.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 06:22:04
Subject: Tau heavy support
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
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You can put a shield drone on a Broadside. It makes it very hard to kill.
If you have a small army I would take the two Broadsides rather than the Hammerhead. You need the anti-tank firepower.
The loss of the pie plate can be compensated by the amount of S5 AP5 firepower in the rest of the army. Remember that stock Broadsides come with Smart Missiles, so your unit of two can pump out eight SMS shots a turn if needs be.
SMS now ignores all except area cover too.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 11:19:29
Subject: Tau heavy support
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Hellacious Havoc
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Kilkrazy wrote:
SMS now ignores all except area cover too.
minor correction - I believe it now prevents all cover saves "that would be granted by line of sight".
So things like smoke and KFF saves will still apply, as well as area terrain. But still, 8 shots that don't require LOS and don't grant saves from LOS is pretty nice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 12:47:54
Subject: Re:Tau heavy support
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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For 1500pts definitely go with the broadsides. Make one a team leader with HW TL, HW MT, and give both personal shield generators. They attract a lot of fire power and you want them to soak it up while you maneuver the rest of your force.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 13:05:55
Subject: Tau heavy support
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I'd argue that giving the team leader a hard-wired drone controller and 1-2 shield drones is a better value than personal shield generators. Broadsides are usually far from the enemy, so they tend to get hit by single shots, and the drone lets you allocate the str8+ shots to the drone, and str7- shots to the suit to avoid insta-kills.
Also if you have at least as many drones as suits, you can leave the drones behind hard cover with the suits in the open to grant your whole unit cover saves while denying cover to your target. A 4+ cover save is just as good as a 4+ invul.
I've also thrown in the odd gun drone in small games for units of 1 broadside. Again, two drones in cover and the suit in the open gives the whole unit 4+ cover saves, and you can allocate those single lascannon hits to the cheap, expendable gun drone and take its cover save. In effect, it's like a shield drone vs. AP2 and better hits but a few points cheaper.
Just be sure that the number of gun drones doesn't exceed the number of suits, or they'll reduce the unit's majority toughness to 3 (shield drones don't have this problem). And be sure your drones aren't trailing behind the unit so far that they put you too close to the table edge for that odd botched morale test.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 15:56:16
Subject: Re:Tau heavy support
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Well, with my experience have a mixture of 'sides and Hammerheads are always a good choice.
I have the 'sides for anti-armor and the HH for more anti-armor/anti-blob. With the Multi-tracker you can move the HH like a fast vehicle and still fire the Railgun. So, if you're in need of armor quick, the HH is a great safety net.
Plus, the guys I play against focus on the HH before they start shooting my Broadsides...which is what I want them to do - my 'sides seem to get more killls
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 16:17:11
Subject: Re:Tau heavy support
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
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ya so i guess id have to say I was right in thinking that broadsides would help me out a lot more than a hammer head. Thanks for the assistance
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/21 21:28:33
Subject: Re:Tau heavy support
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Elite Tyranid Warrior
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Also, do not forget that those Shield Drones have "Close Support" (I believe that is what it is called) so they gain the Toughness/Armor Save of the model they are attached to, therefore they have 2+ armor. This allows them to basically ignore Krak Missiles, Battle Cannons, and any AP3 or higher fire while still being granted a 4+ Invuln save from Dark Lances, Lascannons, and the like. Therefore, Shield Drones are a very big plus for Broadside squads.
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