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Ok, this is Version 2 of my Tau list hat doesn't like IG. At all.

HQ
Shas'o Battlesuit Commander
-Plasma Rifle
--Burst Cannon
---HW Multi Tracker
----Indium Armour
-----Shield Generator-148 pts
Bodyguards (2)
TL Plasma Rifle, Drone Controller, Shield Drone-160 pts


Troops
11 Fire Warriors
1 Shas'ui
+ Devilfish with DisPods
215 pts

11 Fire Warriors
1 Shas'ui
+ Devilfish with DisPods
215 pts

11 Fire Warriors
1 Shas'uiw ith markerlight
H/W Drone Controller,
2 Shield Drones
170 pts


Elites
Crisis Teams
Team 1-Mass infantry 1
TL Missile Pod, Flamer-96 pts

Team 2-Anti-Vehicle
Fusion Blaster x2
Target Lock-106 pts

Team 3-Mass infantry 2
Burst Cannon, Missile pod,
MultiTracker-100 pts

Fast Attack
5 Pathfinders
+Devilfish with DisPods-145 pts

5 Pathfinders
+Devilfish with DisPods-145 pts

Heavy Support
Hammerhead with Railgun and Burst Cannons
with DisPods, MultiTracker -165 pts

Hammerhead with Railgun and Burst Cannons
with DisPods, MultiTracker -165 pts

Hammerhead with Railgun and Burst Cannons
with DisPods, MultiTracker -165 pts


It's now 1995 points!

I ideally want Broadsides, but it's the cost of them (Money, not points)
I've kitted the vehicles wiht the disruption things, and dropped the Rail Rifles

To beat IG... well most of your guns will wound guardsmen on 2s, so I think your list against IG is good.

What about scrapping vehicles-there will be about 6-9

First of all its 2000 points and yet you have gone over, your gonna need to shape some points and fighting against GEQ T/L Missile pods will outdo plasma rifles with their extra range you don't really need your guns to be AP2. Personally I would drop one of the pathfinder units and downgrade the Shas'O to a Shas'el with the points saved you could take some more fire warriors.
On the Plasma/Missle Pod Crisis team drop the Plasma, T/L the missile pods and give them targetting arrays.
That's just my $0.02

DR, why have you not incorporated a lot of the advice from the last thread you had started?

1. MTs & DisPods for vehicles
2. Gun, gun, MT for Crisis Suits
3. Shield Drones instead of Shield Gens for Crisis

DrownedRat117 wrote:2006 points.. thoughts?

Always come in under the points limit. That's why it's a limit.

Drop the hammerheads and replace them with Broadsides. As cool as Hammerheads are, if you're facing an IG tank horde, 3 railguns just won't cut it when you're facing 15 AV12 IG tanks and you're only killing roughly 2 every 3 turns on average assuming no cover saves.

awb wrote:To beat IG... well most of your guns will wound guardsmen on 2s, so I think your list against IG is good.

It will not. A 2k IG list will mop the floor with this. A 1500 IG list can.

1. Crisis Suits are not optimum for killing chimeras, and just not optimally kitted anyway
2. Only 3 Railguns, and 2 TL FB suits is not enough
3. Too many D'fish and no Dispods

DrownedRat117 wrote:Shas'o Battlesuit Commander -----Shield Generator-148 pts
Bodyguards (2)TL Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator

Go with ShieldDs instead. Trust me. Yes, even against Battle Cannons. Cover Saves will help there and the SDs will be ablative wounds.

DrownedRat117 wrote:11 Fire Warriors 1 Shas'ui

If you pay for a 'ui, you may as well get the Bonding Knife too.
+ Devilfish-XX pts

Ok, I've updated it-Brothererekose, what do you think?

DrownedRat117 wrote:I was wondering why I should switch the bodyguards (With 4++) to Shield Drones?

Take your 3 Crisis Suits and lay them out 2" from each other in a line. Put the large blast template over them. 3 are hit, likely 3 will be wounded and it is likely 1.5 will die from the Shield Gen or Cover Save of 4+. Could easily be all of them.

Now, do the same, only adding 2 SDs. Now only 3 models are hit out of 5 for the whole unit, meaning only 3 can be wounded. 2 suits will *not* have to make a Cover/Invuln 4++ save! You assign two of those wounds to the SDs and one to the non-Team Leader suit. Odds are 1.5 SDs die, and a fifty-fifty chance 1 suit dies. Instead of 1.5 suits dying. It guarantees that only 3 out of 5 of the models will not be hit and far more likely to survive.

Also, with Shield Gens, if two suits die, the last suit won't be able to rally should it fail morale.

With Shield Drones and a Bonding Knife, losing the two SDs will still allow them to rally, and the BK is a only a couple points anyway.

A good argument for Shield Gens is , "Dude, but what if I get caught in h2h? I want my Suits to survive against a Power Fist."

The thing is, you don't want the unit to win combat. *Anything* getting caught in h2h ought to die/lose that turn it was charged, so that the enemy unit is open to retaliatory fire on the tau player's turn. And you can assign Pfist wounds to Drones anyway.
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Except for the Shield Gens and Shas'o that could be changed to Shas'el + Target Array ... your list is not too bad now, but it could still be better, even working with the models you own.

Are your Crisis Suits magnetized?

Actually, I only own my Shas'o, and no he is not. Definitely adding SD's though!

DrownedRat117 wrote:Actually, I only own my Shas'o, and no he is not. Definitely adding SD's though!

How come you're not going with Shas'el Target Array, PR/MP, hwMT? Same Ballistic Skill, but you save points. The extra wound the 'O gains is often irrelevant because enemies target him with high STR ammo.

Also, I rechecked the whole blast template thing: Turns out, the full 2 inches makes it so only two suits/40mm bases are covered. Which makes the SDs even better, as the 2 wounds can be put on SDs exclusively.

What are the models you actually own? Perhaps your (and our) time would be better spent kitting out what you have and then you can build from there. I mean, how much cash do you have to spend?

Like I say, my Shas'o is the only model I currently have.

I will soon be selling a large amount of SM and be getting about £200, so about that (Most likely a bit over)

DrownedRat117 wrote:Like I say, my Shas'o is the only model I currently have.

I will soon be selling a large amount of SM and be getting about £200, so about that (Most likely a bit over)

Ah, the *only* model. So for 200 pounds it'll be ( I don't have the "L" symbol on my American keyboard ... that I know of, anyway) :
1. the BattleForce box, ~52
2. 3 b-sides ~19 each
3. 5 more XV8s ~ 70
4. Box of FWs x2, one for FWs, the other to be made into Pathfinders
5. 2 Railheads or a few more b-sides

That ought to spend your money and give you a decent list heading for 1500.

Excellent. Thanks alot Erekose