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The only artillery I am familiar with is the Orks. However I am surprised that artillery isn't pinning. On a stationary target, a accurate coordinate can easily remove anything living in a half mile radius. In infantry tactics when artillery is incoming, someone yells, "Incoming" and every hits the dirt until the barrage is over then a direction (against the direction of incoming) and distance is shouted and everyone gets up an runs in that direction and distance as fast as possible (unless more rounds come in then the cycle is repeated).

All that being said, the point of artillery is slow, pin and kill enemy infantry. If not all artillery being pinning, then perhaps some HE rounds that do cause pinning as an option?

Maybe simply Ordinance? I think there actually might be a rule about Ordinance for that.

Thing is, a lot of the blast template weapons aren't actually using arcing shots, but simply firing high explosive shells in a low ballistic arc, more like a cannon than a howitzer.

Thats a really good idea. Maybe only the indirect fire units would cause pinning ie: mortars, lobbas, bassilisks etc

All Barrage Weapons IIRC are pinning

I think this is to represent that if troops can clearly see the thing that is hitting them, they're A OK with it until 25% of them lose a head

But how often do you see Barrage weapons? Actually, from the AoBR book, there are no barrage weapons in any of the armies. Lots of Ordinance, lots of blast, but no Barrage, unless it's not something like Melta or Assault, and just something put in the individual weapon's rules- which makes no sense.

Theres plenty of barrage weapons, although many dont see a use I suppose competitive wise with some exceptions like manticores

From on top of my head: Biovores, Mortars, Griffon Mortars, Colossus Guns, Earthshaker Cannons (indirect), Manticores (Indirect), Master of Ordnance Artillery Barrage, Orbital Barrage, Whirlwinds (Indirect), Lobbas (Indirect), and a few more

Do those actually say 'barrage' in their profiles, though? Or is it just in the 'wargear description' bit? 'cause that seems a mite odd to me, that they have a "weapon type" like Melta or Ordinance that isn't marked in the quick reference part of the weapon statline.

Anvildude wrote:Do those actually say 'barrage' in their profiles, though? Or is it just in the 'wargear description' bit? 'cause that seems a mite odd to me, that they have a "weapon type" like Melta or Ordinance that isn't marked in the quick reference part of the weapon statline.

The quick statline isnt updated, they used the codex available which from 4th edition uses the G XX" rules (G meaning "guess", they covered this in the barrage entry)

Looking at my 5th edition IG book, they clearly label Barrage Weapons in the Weapon Type slot. For example an Earthshaker shot says "Ordnance Barrage 1, Large Blast"

Ah. Well, it's useful to know that Lobbas are Barrage, then. Must be a 5th edition thing.

Well the Lobba in the Ork codex doesn't have barrage anywhere in it, in fact, I don't see barrage anywhere in the Ork codex.

The problem with artillery in 40k is that the scale is too small to use it properly. And Earthshaker Cannon has a total range of 24 feet, yet most games you would be hard pressed to get beyond 6 feet from your enemy. And as for pinning check page 32 in the rule book. oh and here is a nice IG piece of artillery. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Guard/Imperial_Guard_Emplacements/EARTHSHAKER-EMPLACEMENT.html

DaNewBoy wrote:Well the Lobba in the Ork codex doesn't have barrage anywhere in it, in fact, I don't see barrage anywhere in the Ork codex.

Its 4th edition so it has a G (G48" or something)

Oh.. I see now... So the Ork Codex hasn't been brought up to 5th edition standards yet...

You learn something new everyday :-)

Also, if you're using the quick sheets in the AoBR book, the new IG codex was released after that wasnt it? So some of the gun stats and profiel have probably changed since then.

Anvildude wrote:Actually, from the AoBR book, there are no barrage weapons in any of the armies.

Manticore/Deathstrike
Basilisk
Colossus
Griffon
Lobba
Whirlwind
Chapter Master's Orbital Bombardment
Inquisition's Orbital Strike
Biovore
Spore Mine Cluster
Night Spinner

Tau and Necrons don't really use proper artillery, and Marine artillery is only the mobile whirlwind and the orbital bombardment. But Tyranids and Eldar have options for artillery pieces that truly pin... or do more horrifying things than pin in the case of the night spinner.

Orks SHOULD have more barrage weapons, but they're kinda lacking in proper big guns, much to my annoyance.

Melissia wrote:Orks SHOULD have more barrage weapons, but they're kinda lacking in proper big guns, much to my annoyance.

Agreed, I really hope the next ork codex does take influences from imperial armor (much like the imperial guard)

A lot of shiny stuff in IA8

, but they're kinda lacking in proper big guns, much to my annoyance.

I think IA8 showed you can give orks more shooty elements without being too OP (namely sacrificing the precious HS slots)

master of ordinance wrote: but read the fluff. there close combat choppy. making them more shooty would be O.P.

Two false premises do not a sound argument make.

Orks love the sound of loud guns and explosions. If you read the codex, you'd know this.

Orks are BS2, if you read the codex, you'd know this. Giving them more options for shooting wouldn't be overpowered because they miss most of the time anyway.