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I don't think that they comprehend just how evil chaos really is, but they'd certainly know about it! They might have a more scientific way of looking at them though. So for example, they have unseen technology that allows them to use the warp rather than using it like some sort of magic?
I'm sure there are other people that have a better response than that though!
As for what do chaos marines think of the tau? Blood for the blood god?
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Tau probably (if they've even met them) just think that they're another obstacle in the way of the greater good! They don't think they are better or worse than any Imperium, orks or anyone else who gets inb the way of their expanding empire.
moonshine wrote:So for a while I have been asking myself what do Tau think of Chaos, or to be more specific, What do Tau think of chaos space marines ?
Are there any legions that they have ecountered more than others ?
Are there any lords that they have had alot of contact with ?
Do they ever engage in large battles or just small fights ?
Oh and what do Chaos space merines think of Tau ?
Tau won't identify chaos as chaos. Maybe as another form of humans.
You can't encounter Legions these days. Firstly, 5th ed is all about Huron.B. and his red corsairs. They get the spotlight.
Secondly, chaos home turf isn't the eastern fringe. Chaos got this Eye of terror and a few other warpfilled hellholes to hide in.
Thirdly Abby and his merry legionaries were stuck at Cadia. Nothing from them since.
Therefore no chaos marines for Tau to meet&greet.
Chaos merines think of Tau..... why again do chaos marines think of anything beyond themselves?
Ahh found it. More skulls for the skull throne. So same procedure as everywhere. Chop chop...
One encounter of chaos: Fabius B. stealing a colony of Tau. ( population 100k IIRC ). Mutating and creating new creatures until the IoM catches up and cleanses that place. Not sure if the Tau even know where their colony went or who stole it.
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They would object to the chaos space marines evil ways and how they stand in the way of the Greater Good, unlike the Imperium who object to them because they worship the Chaos Gods, and the Tau probably don't understand the power of the Chaos Gods.
But since the Eye of Terror is on the opposite side of the galaxy to the Tau Empire, the Tau probably don't encounter any big fleets.
They probably think that they are just space marines. The Tau don't understand/believe chaos and I don't think anyone has stopped by to really explain the difference.
What do the chaos think of the Tau? Best guess, they think they are boring kill joys. The Tau have very low warp presence and don't believe in chaos. I imagine that makes it hard to play games with them or spook them.
I am still new to 40k, so gain of salt.
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Tau about Chaos: "How can they oppose the Grater Good".
Chaos about Tau: "Kill, Kill, KILL!!! SKULLS FOR THE SCULL THRONE!!!"
For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
Chaos sapce marines can encounter Tau. They use the warp to transport themselves around and the laws of physics don't apply in the warp so Chaos could easily get across the galaxy. In the csm codex it even says that chaos raids can happen almost anywhere.
Tau and Chaos will have come into contact, the majority of chaos forces are in the eye but they do launch raids against all the races.
Tau know what the warp is. They have investigated it and have allied races who are psykers. They aren't interested in it because it is dangerous and has large risks which goes against their ideas of only using stable technology.
As to how they view CSM they are just misguided humans who sacrifice others for their own benefits- the opposite of what the tau stand for.
Lol, I know its kinda unrelated, but I always think khorne berserkers are a little disappointed fighting tau, their shiny red and brass armour getting covered in *blue* blood....
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Zweischneid wrote:No way man. A Space Marine in itself is scary. But a Marine WITHOUT helmet wears at least 3-times as much plot-armour as a Marine with helmet. And heaven forbid if the Marine would also happen to have an intimidating looking, vertical scar. Then you're surly boned. Those guys are the worst. Not a chance I'd say.
1.) At first Tau haven't had much contact with Chaos, being far from the Eye of Terror.
2.) Tau have almost no warp presence and no psykers and no warp drive. They started with almost no knowledge about the warp.
3.) At first contact they probably thought about Chaos just being monsters (daemons) and hostile humans/SM .
4.) With more contacts, the Tau start to learn what warp and Chaos is, but this is a slow process (and, as we know, 40k is a static setting, not an evolving background basically).
In fact, except for the Dolumar IV there was no other contacts with the Chaos by the Tau Empire... ( in DC Tau was defeated by SM and IG in SS so there was no actual contact between those two ).
But it seems that the Tau have some knowledge about Chaos ( probably from the stories from Humans living near their Empire ) and they refer to CSM as "Human madman". AS foe Daemons and such - most Tau probably don't know their even exist. They probably think that is Imperial propaganda and such...
And Chaos have no interest in Tau, their main operations are on the other side of the galaxy ( EoT ). Plus, Tau has no warp presence so there are of no use to them ( not sure about their allies... ). But, in the long run, Tau could be proven as a great ally against Chaos...
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
The book was actually quite good given the restriction "noveliation of an ego-shooter". But it won't answer the original question, as IIRC only two Tau meet a Daemon, one an untypically emotional Tau resisting but going crazy, the other an ethereal totally immune to Chaos corruption. Not helpful here.
The Tau Codex describes the Perdus Rift Anomaly within the Tau Empire as an area where "the corruption of the imaterium intrudes upon the material universe".
In response to several attacks by, at the time, unknown hostiles the Etherals quarantined the area and stationed an interdiction fleet there.
So yes, i am pretty certain that the Tau Empire is well aware of the things that can lurk within the warp, even if they might not fully understand the nature of such horrors.
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Tau look upon the chaos space marines as corrupted degenrtive freaks while chaos space marines look at them like there babies with guns since theyve been around for about 10,000 years and were conqering the galaxy when they were still goop in the ocean.
The Tau were silly enough to think they killed Tzeench. Tau players believed that for years. Silly Tau.
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole
A tale of Tau meeting Chaos I provide for your enjoyment
read and learn well ...
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ECHOES OF THE MONT'AU
excerpt from the Book of War, memoirs of Fire Warrior Commander Shas’o Sa’cea Tsua’m, a true and glorious account of the noble actions of the Fire Warriors from the Kais-shi academy on Sa’cea. Being the telling of events pursuant to the invasion of Ke’lshan by the forces of the Mont ’au.
“Listen well to this, my warriors, and learn of the method of war of those who care not for the furtherance of any common goal, and fight for the sheer pleasure of violence, the vicarious thrill of defiling those they defeat. It is a cautionary tale, yet one that will inspire others and provides a salutary warning against turning from the Tau’va, the Greater Good.
The world of Ke’lshan is a place of turbulent climate and uncertain peace. All manner of foes call the nearby Perdus Rift home: aliens, pirates and beings too terrible to name. It is a region of treacherous space, shunned by all pilots of good standing and many among the Kor whisper that it may be haunted. Haunted by what, they do not say and until the battle of Mont’au, I felt sure that such tales were mere apocryphal whimsy. Now I am not so sure.
The depredations of those that venture from the Perdus Rift are well known, all seek to plunder and kill with no thought for what they do. Though of course, I myself do not hold with O’shova’s methods and do not condone what he has done, I cannot now bring myself to condemn him totally. The things I have seen out here on the frontier have given me the clarity to at least understand what he talks of and this was never more true than after the events on Ke’lshan which I shall now relate.
Many times had those schooled at Kais-shi led expeditions to fight to protect our brethren of the other castes and every time had they been victorious. When I received orders from the Shas’ar’tol to lead six cadres to Ke’lshan, I was naturally honoured by the command, eager to defeat whatever threat had emerged from the Rift.
En route we were joined by a Kroot warsphere and, though I was glad of their assistance, I had not been aware of any warspheres in this region of the empire. Upon reaching Ke’lshan, it became immediately apparent that what had occurred on this world was unnatural. Whole outposts and towns had been razed to the ground; the bodies of the Tau dead violated in the most unimaginable ways possible. It seemed unlikely that piracy was the motive for the attack, as nothing had been taken, the storehouses were still full and the machine shops were untouched. There was no purpose to the slaughter, save the wanton horror of destruction and mutilation.
But there was worse to come. Pathfinders reported sighting ominous pillars of black smoke over the horizon and we made best speed towards the fires. We arrived at a colony I later learned had been named Fio’kai and discovered a portion of the invaders’ army still encamped in the smoking ruins. Though superficially each bore a resemblance of form to Gue’la, there was among them a riot of anatomies and form I had never before seen and could barely believe drew breath. Each creature bore distended limbs, twisted organs and gibbering mouths, each giving voice to vile exhortations in the name of indulgence.
We fell upon them and killed all save one, who seemed to revel in the pain our weapons had inflicted upon him. His form was twisted and warped beyond any physical norms and he spat and swore such vile things at us that I was forced to order my Shas’el to stand down, for fear that he execute the prisoner there and then.
I myself spoke to our captive at length and was to learn many things, which I will spare you the full horror of. It is enough to say that he claimed to serve a dark master, a being known as Slaanesh, a being who is the antithesis of all the Tau believe in. It appears that his servants are actively encouraged to pursue hedonistic pursuits and that the concept of a Greater Good is abhorrent to them. Such a creature will never submit to the Tau empire and must be destroyed lest his subversive dogma be allowed to spread. It appears that this being is one of some considerable power as it was he (or she – the subject claimed both genders for its master) who had claimed Ke’lshan as his own. I brought the distasteful questioning to an end as the prisoner appeared to take an unhealthy pleasure in the interrogation techniques I was forced to employ. Before terminating the captive, I was able to extract the location of the main force of this Slaanesh and formed up my forces, ready to engage this depraved foe.
As I ventured outside I was confronted with the sight of some Kroot carnivores devouring the bodies of those we had killed in battle. Though distasteful, I was not surprised by this and paid no more mind to their feasting than I had on previous occasions. Later events would show how costly an oversight this was to be.
The route of march our prisoner had furnished me with enabled us to deploy rapidly into an ambush position ahead of Slaanesh’s forces and I chose to employ the Kauyon strategy. With Kroot positioned in the centre as the lure, I stationed myself, the Crisis teams and a pair of Hammerheads in some dead ground behind a hill on my right flank with a Broadside team on the left of the Kroot. With Stealth Battlesuits, Fire Warriors and yet more Kroot guarding my far left flank, I considered my plan to be as tactically sound as I could make it. Within the hour, forward Pathfinders reported engaging the vanguard of Slaanesh’s army. I instructed the bulk of my army to remain in cover while the Kroot to be used as the lure advanced cautiously in plain sight as the Pathfinders’ Devilfish came into view, the enemy snapping at their heels. If the sights I had seen at Fio’kai had appalled me, what I now saw before me sickened me to my very soul.
A horde of fierce-looking warriors in armour emblazoned with shimmering colours and surrounded by a cacophony of discordant noise, bearing icons and sigils of wanton indulgence was approaching. On the flanks came snapping creatures of disturbing appearance, hideously genderless and garbed in fine silks and ermine trimmed armour. Where one would expect to see hands, these creatures were equipped with sensuous claws and darting, barbed tongues whipped from their jaws. Shambling horrors of thrashing pseudopod, claw and fang were driven before the army by grotesque, beast-headed monsters armed with crackling energy prods. At the centre of the horde stood a giant in electric blue armour, edged in gold and pink. I took this to be none other than Slaanesh him or herself and vowed to personally defeat this vile creature. The sensors of my battlesuit detected unknown chemical pollutants suffusing the air around the advancing troops, but could not discern its nature. As the first elements of Slaanesh’s army rushed towards the lure, I noticed a curious thing; many of the Kroot appeared entranced by the sight of such a garishly coloured horde and had lowered their weapons, sniffing the air with bemused looks upon their faces.
As Slaanesh’s army approached our allies, horrifying changes began rippling through the Kroot and they began convulsing, screeching horribly as their flesh erupted in mutation. At this point I realised that these were the Kroot who had feasted on the flesh of the enemy dead at Fio’kai. Slaanesh’s main thrust suddenly altered direction and, instead of charging the Kroot, began heading towards my position. Worse still, the Kroot I had stationed in front as the lure, began advancing alongside Slaanesh’s forces with murder in their eyes! I immediately ordered the forces on my left to advance, engage the flank of Slaanesh’s army and link with my Crisis team. The Broadsides fired salvos of rockets into the masses before them, each blast killing dozens of the enemy. Yet they paid little heed to the carnage being wrought within their ranks. Indeed, many appeared to take perverse pleasure in their wounding. My Hammerheads moved around the opposite flank of Slaanesh’s army and began pounding them with hyper-velocity submunitions from their railguns. Yet still they came on.
The firepower we laid down was above and beyond what the academy at Kais-shi teaches us would be sufficient to break a foe of such numbers, yet Slaanesh’s troops did not falter. Truly were these warriors brave! The slaughter continued, with my warriors falling back and firing into the charging mass. No matter how many we killed, there were more to take their place and I feared we might not have the firepower to deal with these numbers. But then my left hammered into the flank of Slaanesh’s army, throwing it into confusion as the untainted Kroot warriors carved a path through their ranks and a swirling mêlée erupted as these warriors fell upon their corrupted kin. In the confusion, I launched a counter-attack of my own.
Together with my escorting Shas’vre, I fought through the centre of the horde and linked with the bloodstained Kroot to surround Slaanesh. Now, as any student of mine from Kais-shi will tell you, I am a Tau little given to flights of fancy or romantic notions of beauty, but as I faced this being in shocking pinks and blues, I was very nearly entranced by the colours and heady musks that seemed somehow to permeate my battlesuit. I quickly threw off such notions and dispatched the villain with a shot from my fusion blaster. His death seemed to throw his minions into disarray and within minutes they were a broken mob, fleeing in utter panic. I knew I could not allow such a foe to escape, ordering a full pursuit, and by nightfall we had destroyed every last remnant of Slaanesh’s army. As I returned to our original ambush site, I found the Kroot dispatching their sickly comrades and pitching them atop a vast pyre. I have seen that is the normal custom of the Kroot to feast on the bodies of their fallen kin, but after what had happened in the battle, I could not blame them for their caution. The Kroot would not leave until the pyre had burned to ashes and the remains scattered to the wind. When the fire burned out, we collected our dead and left Ke’lshan.
I shudder to think of what might have happened had Slaanesh been allowed to claim Ke’lshan as his own and I offer thanks to the Ethereals that their prescience led my warriors and I to that world. To allow such a debased echo of our former selves to exist would have dishonoured all those who have fought and died for the Greater Good.”
Silly Tau
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One encounter of chaos: Fabius B. stealing a colony of Tau. ( population 100k IIRC ). Mutating and creating new creatures until the IoM catches up and cleanses that place. Not sure if the Tau even know where their colony went or who stole it.
"Please make the Painman stop...." loved that.
But anyway... most CSM hate the Xenos races as much as the loyalists do. Alot of the chaos legions did so in the belief that the chaos gods were the one way to save humanity from the xenos threats of the galaxy, that man kind would be "safer" in the care of the chaos gods than the emperor. So To bring a new point to the table id say CSM are most likely Xenophobic and kill tau on site (but what dont they do that too?), while Daemons probably find there tiny souls and logical mental paths very very boring. Maybe even to the point of daemons avoiding tau like tyranids avoid necrons... there is just no sustinence to be gained.
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Im sure I recall a piece of fluff about Human Auxiliaries with the Tau warning them about not boarding a space hulk, but the Tau boarded it anyway, thinking the humans irrational and superstitious, only to promptly get daemoned.
Tau to Chaos- My friends, killl these villainous humans
Chaos to Tau- How little you know. We are no longer human............ * Daemon prince, greater daemon, hordes of possessed, obliterators and chaos spawn appear * SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
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The Tau certainly know the difference between Chaos Marines and the Loyalists. If only by way of which gods they worship... those in the warp, and the one on the golden throne. Though I think they know which side is a little less crazy than the other.
For such a technologically advanced race the naïveté of the Tau astounds me sometimes.
somecallmeJack wrote:Im sure I recall a piece of fluff about Human Auxiliaries with the Tau warning them about not boarding a space hulk, but the Tau boarded it anyway, thinking the humans irrational and superstitious, only to promptly get daemoned.
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they would probably try another "Cultural Exchange" like they did with the Dark Eldar.
the Tau sent several thousand Tau members of all 4 castes to Commorragh asa Cultural Exchange.
shortly afterwards, the world those Tau were from was attacked en mass and the entire planet enslaved.
the Cultural Ambassadors were never heard from again.
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Grey Templar wrote:they would probably try another "Cultural Exchange" like they did with the Dark Eldar.
In fairness, they had pretty much no choice. The Dark Eldar were saving them from the Tyranids, and while they were suspicious of them (who wouldn't be, after all), they were caught between a rock and a hard place. They were not so naive as to 'exchange' their Ethereals, after all. It was less of a cultural exchange and more of a "give us your people and we'll save you" type deal. When the Tyranids were destroyed, the Tau refused the next exchange, brought in reinforcements, and I think the planet that the reinforcements came from was depopulated. The question I have is, did that planet have any Ethereals on?
Plus that cultural exchange would require the Chaos forces to arrive at a time of crisis for the Tau, have sufficient strength to sway the tide of battle, and then ask for the exchange. I'd expect them to try to attack and enslave the Tau. Although I could see the Alpha Legion try something like this (I wonder if they hypnotise Tau like they can Humans).
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they have almost no warp signiture.
and they still radiate pain and suffering for the DE to feed off of.
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