Tyranid prime outflank with warriors?

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**mercer**

Simple question can a prime outflank with a warrior unit using hive commander power?

**forkbanger**

mercer wrote:Simple question can a prime outflank with a warrior unit using hive commander power?

It's a Tyranid question, so your answer is most likely 'no'.

**mercer**

Well that's not answering my question.

**nosferatu1001**

No.

The HQ does not have Outflank, so the entire unit doesnt have Outflank.

**mercer**

Thanks, that's what I thought.

**forkbanger**

nosferatu1001 wrote:No.

The HQ does not have Outflank, so the entire unit doesnt have Outflank.

None of the unit ever has the Outflank rule.

Hive Commander states that "a single unit of troops may outflank."

Given that Mycetic Spores allow for "a single unit" to embark (well, force that unit to embark) and have been FAQ'd to forbid attached characters, it's reasonable to assume that Hive Commander has a similar restriction.

**nosferatu1001**

The HQ isnt a single unit of troops....

**Corrode**

nosferatu1001 wrote:The HQ isnt a single unit of troops....

If he's joined to the unit then he's part of that unit though, in exactly the same manner as Ghazgkull + Snikrot and extra ICs joining Shrike's unit.

**don_mondo**

By that line of reasoning he can also use the Lictors special deployment or the Ymgarl Stealers special deployment. The Tyrant can give one unit the ability to Outflank, not one unit and any attached ICs. Look at the phrasing on placing ICs/units into transports. So I also say no.

**Kurce**

Rofl. The Tyranid codex is so bad. Makes me cry inside.

**Corrode**

don_mondo wrote:By that line of reasoning he can also use the Lictors special deployment or the Ymgarl Stealers special deployment. The Tyrant can give one unit the ability to Outflank, not one unit and any attached ICs. Look at the phrasing on placing ICs/units into transports. So I also say no.

No, because those rules are inherent to the unit, in the same way that you don't gain FNP from being part of a unit of Plague Marines, but you do if you're in a Command Squad.

**Jidmah**

Corrode wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:The HQ isnt a single unit of troops....

If he's joined to the unit then he's part of that unit though, in exactly the same manner as Ghazgkull + Snikrot and extra ICs joining Shrike's unit.

Uhm, no. Snikrot does not ask for a single unit of troops, but for his unit. If you attached an IC bought in a troop slot to a troop unit, that would be a unit of troops. If you attach an IC from any other FOC slot, it's not.

**triplare**

So a troop unit can't share its bestowed Outflank ability with a joined TP, but will share the damaging effects from a Tervigon's Brood Progenitor rule. Nice.

**Corrode**

Jidmah wrote:
Corrode wrote:
nosferatu1001 wrote:The HQ isnt a single unit of troops....

If he's joined to the unit then he's part of that unit though, in exactly the same manner as Ghazgkull + Snikrot and extra ICs joining Shrike's unit.

Uhm, no. Snikrot does not ask for a single unit of troops, but for his unit. If you attached an IC bought in a troop slot to a troop unit, that would be a unit of troops. If you attach an IC from any other FOC slot, it's not.

Crossing over from the other thread (the one about an IC being the only model in range of an objective whilst attached to a unit), it's still a unit of Troops, the IC is just a model in that unit.

**Jidmah**

Wrong. It's still scoring, but it's not a unit of troops. It's a unit of troops and HQ. See DoW deployment.

**forkbanger**

Jidmah wrote:Wrong. It's still scoring, but it's not a unit of troops. It's a unit of troops and HQ. See DoW deployment.

Dawn of War is a unique and special snowflake in many ways.

**don_mondo**

So I can join a Chaos Lord to a squad of lesser daemons in reserves, be summoned with them, and assault on the turn i arrive, right? Same thing. Course, if you think that's wrong then (IMO) you have to disagree with the Outflanking BS as well.