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Ok im new here, i dont really know where to post this
Not to long from know ill be playing my first actuall game with my guardsmen against a freind of mine who has a group of assult on the black reach ork force plus a group of Gretchins, the game is limited to 500p, cause thats how much his ork force costs.

i had a crude line drawn out, this it how i was going to do it
-three squads of shock troops with auto cannons -- 180p
-a lord commisar -- 70p
-a platoon command with standard, flamer and power fist-- 65p
- two scout sentials with auto cannon, one with a hunter killer-- 90p
- a vetran squad with sniper, heavy flamer, and power weapon-- 95p

Basicly im looking for advice so i can get the most out of 500p where i have my troops armed with weapons to take out the orks before they lock me in close combat
Im a noob at this, and that i have a mental disability that makes it hard to understand some of the rules

What kind of army is your ork friend running?

AOBR Orks, so it'll be 2 Mobs of Boyz, a Warboss with a Nob squad, a few Deffkopters, plus the Gretchin he mentioned.

My suggestion, with your forces, would be to blob up the PIS, attach the Lord Commissar. The autocannons and massed lasgun fire should be able to take down the Orks fairly quickly. Use the PCS primarily for orders like FRFSRF, and try to avoid chargng into combat.

Use the Sentinels to try and hunt down and take out the Deffkopters, maybe spending your hunter killer against them. I'd recommend NOT taking the Vet squad, as the squad load out you have here is, frankly, a very, VERY bad load out for Vets.

I think you need to recalculate your points. I can't, for obvious reasons, list the exact point values but three Guardsmen (Shock Troops) squads PLUS an Autocannon squad does not come out at 180 points, even without upgrades. Unless I've misread? Likewise with the Senintels, both of them together will not give you 90 points, unless you mean its 90 for each? I'm maybe just struggling with your layout of each thing. Try breaking it down and structuring it like this...



... makes it easier to read and understand, and will make it easier for people to give advice!

PM me and I can help you some more and help work out the points thing!

okay this is helpfull, it helps me reinforce my dececsion on remvoing my vets, i was getting concerened on what to use, because ive asked around before comming to here, saying use the vets thier good for low cost games, and to break down the autocannon squad into my infantry squads so they wont be tied down firing at one thing, but now since i removed the vets i need to rework the emty space
heres the refreshed load out, i added armor to lord commie for staters, and that i have to weapons options for my sentials,

HQ
Lord Commisar (80 points)
Carapace Armor

Troop choices
Infantry Platoon 1 (troop choice one) (180-?)
Platoon command (Unkown; being reworked)

Squad 1 (60)
with auto cannon

Squad 2 (60)
with auto cannon

Squad 3 (60)
with auto cannon

Scout sential squadron (90 or 110 points depending on weapons)
2 sentails
each with auto cannons, and 1 with hunter killer
or
each with las cannon, and 1 hunter killer


culmitive point total 350, or 370 if i take the lascoons

does anybody have any suggtions that help finish the army to 500 points, with choices thatll take down orks fairly easy

You need a second infantry platooon to make your army legal. That'll be another 210 points at the very least, don't forget the PCS is 30 points in and of itself.

ChrisWWII wrote:You need a second infantry platooon to make your army legal. That'll be another 210 points at the very least, don't forget the PCS is 30 points in and of itself.

Yeah i know that why i hat the vets

If you have it a Chimera might be a good addition as well.

PCS are very good with 4 flamers and a chimera, especially against the orks.

That would be 50 pts for the PCS and 55 for the chimera (if you have it, you could do without it as well)


If you need a cheap second troop choice, you could always take a Penal Legion as well. (simply use your veterans and say "these are a penal legion)
They can stay in reserves and outflank onto an objective, and depending on the roll they can shoot or fight decently.


Veterans really NEED a chimera (or a vendetta) to be effective. They are cheap and BS4, and are best with either 3x melta or Plasma. The chimera protects them so they can get to where they need to be.

I could go with the penal leigon, which i dont understand how they are cheaper than the vets there's a 10 point increase to them, if i go with the penal leigon and with the PCS with 4 flamers, though i wouldn't be able to take wont be able to the chimera, i wont have the point space for it, im limited to 500 points