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Ok, so I'm registered to participate in a local tournament on May 14. I've been working my list and trying to get it just right but haven't had ample opportunity to test it. The tournament hosts have allowed the use of proxy in my case seeing as not all models have been released yet. Everything else that is out can not be proxyed and must come from my own supply, which is limited. I currently posses: 2 ravagers, a talos, 2 archon/succubus/SC, drazhar, 10 incubi, 30-40 warriors/trueborn, 30 wyches, 3 reavers, and 4 raiders. I have built two lists with this in mind yet don't since i lack experience with dark eldar, I'm not all that sure which to take or even if they are all that great to begin with. Any help would be much appreciated.


HQ: 250
2x Haemonculus - 165
Both with liquifier guns and venom blades
One with webway portal
Succubus - 85
Agoniser

Elites: 530
10x Incubi - 250
On a raider
One is a Klaivex with onslaught
5x Kabalite trueborn - 120
Four with blasters
On the venom
10x Hekatrix Bloodbrides - 160
Two with shardnet and impaler
One with razorflails
With the Succubus
In the webway portal

Dedicated Transport: 345
4x Raiders - 280
- All with flickerfield
Venom - 65
Two splinter cannons

Troops: 290
8x Wracks - 90
One with liquifier gun
With the haemonculus with WWP
On a Raider
7x Wracks - 80
One with liquifier gun
With a haemonculus
On a Raider
10x Wracks - 120
Two with liquifier gun
On a raider

Heavy Support: 435
Ravager - 115
Flickerfield
Ravager - 115
Flickerfield
Voidraven Bomber - 205
Flickerfield
Nightshields
Four necrotoxin missiles

Total = 1850


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List #2

HQ: 210
2x Haemonculus - 120
Both with liquifier guns
Succubus - 90
Agoniser
Haywire grenades

Elites: 490
10x Incubi - 250
On a raider
One is a Klaivex with onslaught
5x Kabalite Trueborn - 120
4 with blasters
On a venom
5x Kabalite Trueborn - 120
4 with blasters
On a venom

Dedicated Transport: 410
4x Raiders - 280
- All with flickerfield
2x Venom - 130
With 2x splinter cannons

Troops: 314
8x Wyches - 96
All with haywire grenades
With a haemonculus
On a Raider
7x Wyches - 114
All with haywire grenades
One is a hekatrix with agoniser
With a haemonculus
On a Raider
8x Wyches - 104
All with haywire grenades
One with shardnet and impaler
With the succubus
On a Raider

Heavy Support: 425
Ravager - 115
Flickerfield
Ravager - 115
Flickerfield
Razorwing Jetfighter - 195
Flickerfield
Nightshields
Two shatterfield missiles
Two necrotoxin missiles
Splinter cannon


Total = 1849pt


Thanks for all the help!

I am not the expert on Dark Eldar here, and perhaps Thor will come on and give better advice. But I will tell you what kind of advice and problems I see with this list that have been pointed out before.

One problem with both lists is that you are using Haemonculus, you didnt mention that you have them. But GW does currently have models for them. Also you should really get another ravager. But if money is tight. the fighter and bomber are still fun to play with.

List 1
WWP doesnt seem to make sense here. As I understand you need at least two for safer deployment. But you have only one unit coming out oif it.

Your Incubi squads are "too killy" They will cut right through most of what theyd attack and get eaten up by enemy fire afterwards.

The trueborn do not need the 5th man with a splinter rifle. Because he will want to shoot at different things at different range than the blaster trueborn.

I dont have my codex on me but here is generally how I would make this work.

After cutting the WWP, the splinter rifle Trueborn, the venom blades from the haemons, incubi upgrades, turn the bloodbrides into regular wyches and cut 2 weapons and 1 model, try and see if you can afford two venoms. That way you can split up the Incubi into two squads of five, and give the raider to the wyches and succubus. Cutting all that should be more than enough points, keep what you want, but you have to downgrade the bloodbrides to wyches in order to gain the elite troop slot.


List 2
same problems before with trueborn not needing the 5th man, and 10 incubi being too much. Only problem is with two trueborn units, you cannot cut the incubi into two squads anymore. But 5 should be enough anyway. Perhaps cut 5 incubi, the 2 splinter rifle trueborn. and get 4th troop choice of a small 5 man warrior squad in a venom. Or you could fill out the wych squads by getting another hekatrix and increasing their number to 9 each.


In the end it still probably wont be optimal, because you still will want another ravager, but of the two lists, I like the second one more.

I like these lists, but you should put a haemonculus with the incubi. If you dropped two incubi and the 5th trueborn in the baster squads you would have enough points in both lists to get a third haemonculus to buff the incubi.

This is a mess. starting with HQ

Succubus is not good at all take more haemonculus.

Trueborns dont need ana extra wound its just pricey.

Incubi is to killy and need a Archon with phantasm grenade launcher to work.

Bloodbrides are just pricey wyches just take more wyches instead,

Wyches really want to have a haemy with them so they get that paintoken.

jetfigters can be a good choice if you keep em realtivly cheap just add 4 shattershard missiles and FF that pricey enough.

OP, are you looking for people to point you towards one list or the other, or are you looking to pick one, and have it critiqued for revision?

If the latter, which list do you prefer?

I would advocate the 2nd list given the choice.

Both lists could be tightened up to be much better. I second Dash's call - clarify which list you're interested in and we can chew it up and make it better.

I'm looking at a glaring flaw in list 2; it states that 5x trueborn with 4x blasters on a venom cost 120. They do not. Think more like 185 a piece. Other than that I say get more blasty in there.

Well, I like wrack for their durability outside of combat, wyches for their durability inside of combat. Now that you mention it, if I had to pick one list to be revised, it would be the one with the wyches, the second list.

The trueborn squad point cost in the second list is not including the venom, that is listed separately lower down the list. Thats why it may seem way too low

Starless Night wrote:The trueborn squad point cost in the second list is not including the venom, that is listed separately lower down the list. Thats why it may seem way too low

Next up; a personal message from Thor -

Thor665 wrote:Let me also take a moment for a personal rant: If new DE generals are going to keep insisting to treat 'Dedicated Transports' as though it's an actual Force Org slot - the least they can do is specifically note which units are taking the transports as opposed to expecting people to guess. Also - Dedicated transports are an upgrade to a unit and should be listed as such.

I might need to sig that soon, it's starting to get to me.

Okay, since you clarified I'll give that second list a good drubbing over either later tonight or sometime tomorrow.

As promised, let's poke at List #2.

Starless Night wrote:2x Haemonculus - 120
Both with liquifier guns
Succubus - 90
Agoniser
Haywire grenades

No issues here, though the Succubus isn't really needed for what you're doing.

10x Incubi - 250
On a raider
One is a Klaivex with onslaught

Onslaught is a bit of a joke power, and frankly I think the Klaivex is kind of a weak upgrade. In all honesty, with some of the points I save you below, I'd advocate dropping the Klaivex entirely and maybe just bringing an extra Haemy so the Incubi get FNP. In any case you can certainly afford to bring a few less Incubi because there's no reason for this squad to be hitting as hard as it is.

5x Kabalite Trueborn - 120
4 with blasters
On a venom
5x Kabalite Trueborn - 120
4 with blasters
On a venom

4 Blasters will be shooting at armor - how much does the splinter rifle help there? (clue - not at all)
The only point to the extra body is when/if the Venom blows up he's sort of an ablative wound. But, honestly, when the Venom blows up the squad is only half as useful anyway and will probably die to small arms fir. I strongly suggest saving the 24 points here and not buying the extra Trueborn - those points could be used better elsewhere.

8x Wyches - 96
All with haywire grenades
With a haemonculus
On a Raider

I do not see the lack of a hekatrix as a good idea - your army is very assault oriented, let the assault elements kill stuff and not just clog it up.

7x Wyches - 114
All with haywire grenades
One is a hekatrix with agoniser
With a haemonculus
On a Raider

Like this, though I wonder why the squad is slightly smaller - points of lack of Wych models? I should have easily saved you enough points to make it an 8 man squad, which since your list is about assault is a good thing.

8x Wyches - 104
All with haywire grenades
One with shardnet and impaler
With the succubus
On a Raider

I don't actually see a big reason for the single shardnet. Personally I'd drop it. The Succubus is there as a Hekatrix++ and isn't worth working too hard on to protect.

Ravager - 115
Flickerfield
Ravager - 115
Flickerfield

Ravtastic.

Razorwing Jetfighter - 195
Flickerfield
Nightshields
Two shatterfield missiles
Two necrotoxin missiles
Splinter cannon

Pretty neutral on the missile upgrades. I actually think that's basically wasted points. Also, considering how focused a lot of the army is on killing infantry (Liquifiers, Incubi, Wyches, et al) I kind of wonder why you're bringing such an expensive infantry killing machine. Considering your model limitations I would at least stick with monoscythes or go all shatterfield so that your missiles could also be used firing into parking lots of vehicles with some effectiveness. I don't think you'll need much poison shooting. I would also actually recommend switching out to the Bomber, the Voidlances will bring more o what you need (anti-tank) and the lack of missiles will keep you mostly focused on providing that.

By the end of this (especially if you dropped the Succubus) you should be pretty close to being able to afford an additional Troop selection. I'd tend to encourage that - as more targets is a good thing for the DE. Since you're out of Raiders and are allowed to proxy Venoms the ol' 5 Warriors w. Blaster in a Venom build will probably look pretty nice. Alternate options include dropping the Succy for a Haemy and using the excess points in the elite slot to buy 3 Trueborn 2. 2 Lances just as an additional tank threat, this holds especially true if you really want to use the Razorwing.

My thoughts,
Thor.

I suppose the second list is better, but I don't like either of them to be honest. At 1850, I'd say you're spread too thin....

Ok, after a good bit of point shuffling/unit reorganization, here's what I came up with:

HQ: 180

3x Haemonculus - 180
Two with liquifier guns
One with shattershard


Elites: 216

4x Kabalite Trueborn - 108
4 with blasters
On a venom

4x Kabalite Trueborn - 108
4 with blasters
On a venom


Dedicated Transport: 495

4x Raiders - 300
All with flickerfield
Two with shock prows (more for manipulating assaults than causing damage)
One for warriors with splinter racks

3x Venom - 195
All with 3x splinter cannons


Troops: 574

9x Wyches - 138
All with haywire grenades
One is hekatrix with agoniser
With a haemonculus
On a Raider with shock prow

9x Wyches - 138
All with haywire grenades
One is hekatrix with agoniser
With a haemonculus
On a Raider with shock prow

9x Wyches - 138
All with haywire grenades
One is hekatrix with agoniser
With a haemonculus
On a Raider

10x Warriors - 100
One with splinter cannon
On raider with splinter racks

5x Warriors - 60
One with blaster
On a venom


Heavy Support: 385

Ravager - 115
Flickerfield

Ravager - 115
Flickerfield

Voidraven Bomber - 155
Flickerfield

Total: 1850