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A question struck me at work today. (yes i do most of my army lists at work, i eaven assembles models/terrain @ work )

If all models in a unit with a commissar gets killed. Can the commissar then reroll the failed morale test then? Or must i have a Reg standard close to be able to reroll?

I don't see any reason why you wouldn't be allowed to re-roll, as summary execution does not describe any condition in which the Commissar is by himself. There's technically no reason why you couldn't take the morale check again.

creeping-deth87 wrote:I don't see any reason why you wouldn't be allowed to re-roll, as summary execution does not describe any condition in which the Commissar is by himself. There's technically no reason why you couldn't take the morale check again.

Imagine this scenario in my head.

Rolls dice for morale. Fail

My commissar would say, "In the name of the Emperor, I flee the enemy. Cowardice is punishable by death. BLAM!!!"

its worded as if he has to execute someone they have to retake the test but not as if it can retake the test plus if he fails his 9 leadership it must be a bad thing

I agree. If no execution takes place, then no re-roll is done, because the rule is written "[Sentence describing the removal of the executed model.] The unit in question must then re-roll ..."

And there's already a clause in the rule preventing commissars from executing commissars, so if one is the last model left in a unit, you don't execute and you don't re-roll.

It seems pretty clear to me that the commissar must kill himself to pass the morale test.

Goddard wrote:It seems pretty clear to me that the commissar must kill himself to pass the morale test.

It seems pretty clear to me that he isn't allowed to do so because the rules say so.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Goddard wrote:It seems pretty clear to me that the commissar must kill himself to pass the morale test.

It seems pretty clear to me that he isn't allowed to do so because the rules say so.

It's true you say, very true. But still so funny if he has to shoot himself. Imagine that rule not being there. He dies and goes to afterworld and drag back his dead squad to "ONCE MORE INTO THE BREACH YOU DOGS!!!!! YOU WILL DIE WHEN I SAY YOU DIE. EVEN IF I HAVE TO DRAG YOU BACK FROM THE DEAD!!!!! ....oh wait. I just did that."

We already have a Commissar like that.

His name is Chu.N..hmm eeh Yarrik!

Yarrik is not Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris does not need to get back up.

I agree, he can do it when there is just one model and himself. After that, I suppose he could shoot himself but then who would take the test?

Homer

TBH I'd find it funnier if there was just two Commissars left without the special rule. Wild West style shootout!

Roll initiative for both of them, on a tie, both die.

But what if one of them was that rare Female Commisar? No 'honorable" man would hit a woman? LOL

CinderBlack wrote:But what if one of them was that rare Female Commisar? No 'honorable" man would hit a woman? LOL

Male Commissars are likely the second least honourable men in the Imperium, right behind inquisitors...

Right then, forgot about that. I guess that means She would be smart enough to shoot him first.

Just saying, even though this would probley never happen, what would happen if (in team battle) a commissar from a IG squad is paired with an eternal warrior who isnt fearless (probley doesnt exist) and failed a morale check. Would the eternal warrior suffer a wound or just be taken out.

In my head I see a commissar head-shotting someone like Lysander.

Again, what if?

Commissar Typhus wrote:Just saying, even though this would probley never happen, what would happen if (in team battle) a commissar from a IG squad is paired with an eternal warrior who isnt fearless (probley doesnt exist) and failed a morale check. Would the eternal warrior suffer a wound or just be taken out.

In my head I see a commissar head-shotting someone like Lysander.

Again, what if?

I took it upon myself to search for a dude with EW that wasn't fearless.... and I can't find it. Holy crap!. I thought for sure FW would have one, but nope, not even there.

For OP:
You must execute someone in order to get the reroll.

I'll do a small recap of the rule in order, and with specific wording when needed.

Leadership is failed > Commander of the squad (the one with the highest leadership) is executed. If the highest leadership is a tie, then randomly determine who is executed (i.e. if the commander of the squad is already dead). A commisar cannot execute himself or another commisar. The executed model is removed from play. The squad must reroll it's failed leadership test.

Notice the order, execute, remove from play, then reroll. If you can't execute, you can't reroll.