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Do you march the kans up in front in 3 units of 3? With the tide behind?

My hoard to choose from.

HQs:
-AoBR Warboss
-Biker Boss (Converted Boar Boss WFB) - In Gallery
-BM KFF
-BM SAG

Troops:
30 Shoota Boyz, 3 Rok, 1 Nob PK BP
30 Shoota Boyz, 3 Rok, 1 Nob PK BP
20 Slugga Boyz, 2 Rok, 1 Nob PK BP (Proxy as Kommandoes)

Elites:
12 Lootas
18 Nobs
- 1 Pain Boy
- 7 AoBR Nobs
- 2 Big Choppas
- 2 Slugga PK
- 1 Shoota-Skorcha BP
- 1 Shoota-Rokit BP
- 1 Shoota-Rokit
- 2 TLS PK
- 1 PK Waaagh Banner

Fast:
3 Deffkoptas w/ TLRL
10 Biker boyz (converted boar riders) w/ 1 Nob PK BP - In Gallery

Heavy Support:
3 Kans w/ Rokits
3 Kans w/ Grotzookas
3 Kans w/ Burnas

Spares:
3 Boyz w/ Slugga Choppas
5 Boyz w/ Big Shootas

Almost done painting.... pleeeease no more models !!!!! If you say I need more I'll find you... Just this many has taken me a year.

dont want to be an a**hole, but a good kan wall needs to KKF meks since one KFF cannot cover all 9 kans. Or the kans will be deployed in a way that most of your boyz wont get a cover save which defeat the purpose of a kan wall.

HQ (190) <== I used the points for the warboss since you dont have the 2nd kff, but it is a must buy
big mek kff X2 *srrryyyyyyy (170)
OR (not as good)
big mek KFF - 85
warboss (AOBR right) - 105
(pk, cybork, bp, twin linked big shoota)

ELITES (180)
- Lootas X 6 - 90
- Lootas X 6 - 90

Heavy Support (390)
- 3 Kans w/ Rokits -150
- 3 Kans w/ Grotzookas - 120
- 3 Kans w/ Burnas (not sure 'bout points here, its 5 points per scorcha right?) - 120

TROOPS (685)
- 30 Shoota Boyz, - 250
(3 Rok, 1 Nob w/ PK n' BP )
- 30 Shoota Boyz, - 250
(3 Rok, 1 Nob w/ PK n' BP )
- 20 Slugga Boyz, - 185
, (2 Rok, 1 Nob w/ PK n' BP)

that is a total of 1445 points.

you could fit one suicide kopta for 45 points and put some points some where else since you would still ahve 10 points left.



HOW TO USE THE KAN WALL:
best way (with two KFF):
kans in front, meks strategically placed to give cover to all kans (4+ to them), boyz behind kans to get 4 + cover save from kans
with what you have, the suicide kopta could (should) be kept in reserve to outflank and pop artillery or tanks (whirwind, vindis) or anything that can fire large blast and stay behinds since that can cripple your forces.

with what you have:
try to cever as many kans as you can with the single kff (6 is possible), put your boyz behind the 9 kans and get in assault ASAP. Use the kopta to divert stop a large blast from shooting at least one turn (or destroy it)

That's the best response to any question I've posted on dakka, Serder. Thank you very much. What's one more model (KFF) in a field of 141, of which 85% are painted. I'll buy the KFF at my FLGS.

glad I could help

PS: the nice thing I jsut realised about all the models you have is that you can switch things up in friendly games (like use all ur nobs, I find that hilarious, can be frustrating if they got shot down b4 doing anything good thought)

What serder is saying is 100% correct. I play against him pretty much every week, and I can tell you that that kan wall is a real pain to punch through if done well (which, unfortunatly for me, he does), so I would defenitely go for that second KFF.

Just my 2 cents

To spend the money on a KFF isn't really needed tbh. Totally up to you if you have to have the model but it is very easy to covert of customize your own. There are a few forums about converting too and pics in the gallery to get ideas.

Yeah, if you don't want to buy a new model, don't buy one. Make one. Orks is all about the konvertin and Lootin and stuff.

Anvildude wrote:Yeah, if you don't want to buy a new model, don't buy one. Make one. Orks is all about the konvertin and Lootin and stuff.

true that

by, that is personnal though, I prefer using the real models for my HQs, because the real models are usually better than the kustom made one (except if you have the equipment to make ur own plastic pieces)

Well, as said, the Kanz should be in range of the KFF.
Moreover, I'd deploy the Boyz in form of an intertwined konga line to grant a 4+ cover save.

wuestenfux wrote:Well, as said, the Kanz should be in range of the KFF.
Moreover, I'd deploy the Boyz in form of an intertwined konga line to grant a 4+ cover save.

yup, to fit 90 boyz behind the kans, I usually do 6x5 squares (6 large, 5 deep) with 2 inch between each model, so they all fit well behind the kans and even if the oppoent is on a litttle angle, you still get the 4+ save

Remember, squadons can be spaced out 4" too if I remember correctly

Typical Kan Wall list is:

Big Mek - kustom force field

Big Mek - kustom force field

5 x Lootas

5 x Lootas

5 x Lootas

30 x Boyz - Nob w/ power klaw & bosspole

30 x Boyz - Nob w/ power klaw & bosspole

30 x Boyz - Nob w/ power klaw & bosspole

15 x Gretchin - Runtherd w/ grot prod

Deff Dread - 3 x dreadnought close combat weapons, skorcha, armour plates & grot riggers

Deff Dread - 3 x dreadnought close combat weapons, skorcha, armour plates & grot riggers

Deffkopter - twin-linked rokkits & buzzsaw

Deffkopter - twin-linked rokkits & buzzsaw

Deffkopter - twin-linked rokkits & buzzsaw

3 x Killa Kanz - 3 x rokkits

3 x Killa Kanz - 3 x rokkits

3 x Killa Kanz - 3 x rokkits

mercer wrote:Remember, squadons can be spaced out 4" too if I remember correctly

i thought it was 2, and op asked for a list with what he had if I remember correctly,

No it's 4" p64 and I'm showing him what a Kan Wall looks like for reference, no need to bring the attitude.

mercer wrote:No it's 4" p64 and I'm showing him what a Kan Wall looks like for reference, no need to bring the attitude.

Wow, I'll be damned, you're right! That's very useful to know and makes things much easier for deployment.

4 inches, damn that changes my deployment, and the boyz behind still get the 4+ cover save?

AresX8 wrote:

mercer wrote:No it's 4" p64 and I'm showing him what a Kan Wall looks like for reference, no need to bring the attitude.

Wow, I'll be damned, you're right! That's very useful to know and makes things much easier for deployment.

Looks like you're damned then my friend.

mercer wrote:No it's 4" p64 and I'm showing him what a Kan Wall looks like for reference, no need to bring the attitude.

Serder wrote:4 inches, damn that changes my deployment, and the boyz behind still get the 4+ cover save?

Yup still get cover as firing through a unit.

mercer wrote:

Yup still get cover as firing through a unit.

lol, you gotta find them loopholes

Oh thanks guys.

Serder, yeah the money isn't really the issue. I have green fatigue with regards to painting. I'll buy another KFF no prob. I just have 2 more deffkoptas, 6 more kans, and 10 more nobs and THAT's IT.

Horrray!!!! Found out I was cheating on the KFF giving the units around him a +4 save instead of 5. My bad.

Also, do you attach the KFF to a Kan squadron?

Last question, I promise... If you have only one model of a kan squadron within the protective 6" does that save extend to the other 2 kans?

I am so looking forward to unleashing the WYSIWYG painted hoarde on the proxied unpainted IG guy. Yay!!!!

doktor_g wrote:Oh thanks guys.

Serder, yeah the money isn't really the issue. I have green fatigue with regards to painting. I'll buy another KFF no prob. I just have 2 more deffkoptas, 6 more kans, and 10 more nobs and THAT's IT.

Horrray!!!! Found out I was cheating on the KFF giving the units around him a +4 save instead of 5. My bad.

Also, do you attach the KFF to a Kan squadron?

Last question, I promise... If you have only one model of a kan squadron within the protective 6" does that save extend to the other 2 kans?

I am so looking forward to unleashing the WYSIWYG painted hoarde on the proxied unpainted IG guy. Yay!!!!

The KFF is attached to a Boyz mob.

In a squadron of 3 Kans, you need to cover 2 Kans in order for the whole unit to be counted as obscured as rules wise it uses normal units in cover rule (pg 22 right column of BRB).

LEGEND:
Black Dot - Boy (2 mobz of 30, 1 of 20)
F - BM w/KFF
K - Kan
L - Loota
DfK - Deff Kopta


Serder,
Thanks again. Is this what you were talking about?

4 KFF questions:
(1.) The 6" force field is measured from the edge of the BMs base, not from the center of the model, right?
(2.) Is it correct that only part of the Kan's base needs to be within the 6" range of the KFF, or must it be completely encompassed within the FF?
(3.) To receive a cover save, 50% of the units have to be in cover. So that's 2 Kans from each squad, right?
(4.) Can the front 2 squads of boyz shoot if they are claiming 4+ cover save afforded by the Kan Wall?

Cons:
Seems pretty bunched up and vulnerable to IG pie plates...

you got a part of the idea, here is how I deploy (never tried your idea since I feel the Big mek is way too out in the open):
QUIT EDIT: Colors = squadron of kans and the circle is something I did accidently, lol



so I just used your image and did a quick MS paint job, but I think you get the idea.

The lootas must be at the very back of your army since if they get shot at and are force to take a leadership, they might run (LD7 with orks QQ)

But your priority in your deployment is to make sure the kans are in front. In the deployment you drew, your big meks were out in the open and easy to snipe. Remember that the kans can be putted 4 Inches apart and that two kans has to be covered by the KFF.

So basically, that is how I deploy:
I use the max split for the middle kans, since I only need to put one in each KFF. I put two of the far right kan squadron very close together to make sure they are both in the range and use the full 4'' for the 3rd one. I do the same with the far left squad. I then put the boyz behind the kans trying to spread them out as much as I can while making sure I am still getting the awesome 4+ cover from the kans. The flanking with the deff kopta is a good idea. I've saw people using the scout move instead of the outflank, but I almost never do that since I roll very bad and I am usually facing the front armor if I do that.

The way you deployed:
So up there I said how I deployed. That type of deployment fits my style of playing. In the process of writing this post, I saw that you could prevent the mek from getting sniped by putting the boyz real close to him and making sure he was in a mob which would give him the 4+ cover save and 30 more wounds (gotta love these expendable points boyz). The lootas could be a daring move since it would give you more clear shots and draw fire away from your main army since your biggest source of dakka will be from the lootas in turn 1 and two (most imminent threat)

The boyz were well spread out (I like sed organizsed formation in my deployment because I like it, lol). I think you have already played this game, so I don't think you need advice on spreading your guys to counter ordnance or big blast, etc.)

So GL and HF with taht army of yours and go kill sum humie's for the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


PS: forgot to answer your questions:

4 KFF questions:
(1.) The 6" force field is measured from the edge of the BMs base, not from the center of the model, right? YES
(2.) Is it correct that only part of the Kan's base needs to be within the 6" range of the KFF, or must it be completely encompassed within the FF? 1 kan must be totally in the KFF, a 2nd one must be 50% or over in the KFF since the rules states that 50% fo the vehicle must be obscured. I usually do with two 100% since I don,t have to bother about the middle of my kan and it prevents arguments.
(3.) To receive a cover save, 50% of the units have to be in cover. So that's 2 Kans from each squad, right? If you are talking about the kans, yes, the kans need to bbe 50% covered to have the 50% save, For the boyz, hlaf or more of your unit must be hidden behind another unit to get 4+ cover save (so not only your kans, but make sure he ain't firing trhough his own units, or trhought another mob of boyz.
(4.) Can the front 2 squads of boyz shoot if they are claiming 4+ cover save afforded by the Kan Wall? Yes, but sadly that gives a 4+ to your opponent (I play sm, so their armor is better, but the rockets now permits save because of the cover)

I saw you were worrying about the army being bunch up.
I usually do lines of boyz 2 inches appart with columns of said boyz 2 inches appart too (10x3, 5x 6, mixed up columns). That reduces the damage of blast and templates to a minimum. But seriously, the oppoents I've played usually target the kans b4 the boyz because the kans seems like the biggest target to them (rokkits and grotzooka = massive massive dmg + DCCW). Just make sur your boyz of boyz are not far from the KFF because fast moving army (elar, tau) can go around the kans quite fast and the 5+ cover save can be a life saver for 30 boyz)

So apart from that, the rest comes with experience

Oh yes Serder. I will bring the Waaagh to those fools.

Excellent response. Again.
DrG