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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/27 20:09:58
Subject: 1000 Dark Elf Starter List
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Hi everyone, I'm brand-new to Fantasy and just got my Dark Elves army book. I'm trying to stay close to the Battalion contents since I dont have a lot of capital to get started right away. This is what I have so far...
Master 1
+Heavy Armor
+Shield
+Sea Dragon Cloak
+Additional hand weapon
+Pair of Repeater handbow
+Battle Standard
Sorceres 1
+Level 2 Upgrade
+Staff of Sorcery
+Dark Magic Lore
Dark Elf Warriors 12
+Shields
+Lordling
+Musician
+Standard Bearer
Darl Elf Crossbowmen 16
+Shields
+Guardmaster
+Musician
+Standard Bearer
Black Ark Corsairs 20
+Reaver
+Musician
+Standard Bearer
Cold One Knights 5
+Dread Knight
+Musician
+Standard Bearer
An help would be appreciated. Thank you^^
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/27 23:51:25
Subject: Re:1000 Dark Elf Starter List
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Paingiver
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Glad to see you've made your choice and a list. My concern is the 12 warriors, it's really not enough in this edition of big blocks to do much. Since you're new and you aren't jumping into any tourneys I would see maybe proxy them as Crossbow men maybe run 2 units of 14. You can still get away with shooting units in low numbers but for combat you want at least 20 and in larger games 30-40. Or you can drop them and maybe the cold ones if you need the points and add a Hydra, it would be brutal at this points levels about the only thing that can deal with it are Dwarves, Empire and Skaven with their cannons, everything else will likely perish.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 00:01:05
Subject: 1000 Dark Elf Starter List
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Ok, so I'll need more Warriors..
I had a feeling about that, but the Batallion came with that many. I think I have to play with the 2 heroes to make it point legal. 25% Max, right? Still getting used to these rules, haha.
Hm, Hydra...^^
Thanks for the advice!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 00:24:21
Subject: Re:1000 Dark Elf Starter List
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Paingiver
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I don't have the Dark Elf book but it is 25% lords and 25% heros not 25% of both. Also if you're looking to possibly save some cash I read you can take one of new dark eldar legs, might be able to get the bitz on ebay and then use the torso and upper half of a cold one rider to make the master. And also for a plastic sorceress you may be able to convert the dark eldar succubus, though I would like to see the spure first.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/04/28 00:31:38
Thus, After having thus successively taken each member of the community in its powerful grasp and fashioned him at will, the supreme power then extends its arm over the whole community. It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 00:32:43
Subject: Re:1000 Dark Elf Starter List
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Ambitious Space Wolves Initiate
French Polynesia
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The master can't carry the battle standard. Because he has 1 ld higher than the sorceress, he has to be the general, and generals can't carry the BSB.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 00:46:25
Subject: Re:1000 Dark Elf Starter List
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Wraith
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Obrac wrote:The master can't carry the battle standard. Because he has 1 ld higher than the sorceress, he has to be the general, and generals can't carry the BSB.
This is incorrect. You can make any character that specifically is not prohibited your general. While your general is most often your highest Ld. character, it is not mandated that it must be.
Edit: Now then, that being said you probably want to reconsider your list if you're aiming for a solid 1k. The Battalion isn't a bad deal, especially if you already have it. As previously mentioned, you can make an adequate Master out of the Cold One Knight champion's torso and head and some legs. The standard Warrior's chain skirt works just fine, but feel free to have fun with it.
I'm not so sure you'll get full use of the Magic phase out of a 1k list, but there's certainly nothing wrong with trying and it would give you a feel for how potentially devastating or lackluster magic can be. I would go with either a Sorceress or a Master, not both at this level. A proper Sorceress or Master will set you back 140-160 points and having both means over 30% of your army is tied up into two T3 W2 characters just begging to be suicide-charged. Since you are shooting for the Battalion box, I'd go the kitbashed Master route if I were you.
Master - Sword of Might, Pendant of Khaeleth, Heavy Armor, Sea Dragon Cloak, Shield - 140
14x Crossbowmen - Musician - 145
14x Crossbowmen - Musician - 145
20x Corsairs - Sea Serpent Standard, Full Command, either Repeater Handbows or Extra Hand Weapons - 250
--Insert Master here
5x Cold One Knights - 135
War Hydra - 175
Total: 995
I know the Hydra is not in the Battalion box, but if you're playing Dark Elves you'll want to pick one up at some point anyway. Look for a decent discounter or buy used for a price break. I honestly would not make any of the Warriors you have in the Battalion Box into Spearmen. Dark Elf Crossbowmen are fantastic and our best Core choice in 8th edition. People are jealous of our pincushion firepower so don't be afraid to use it. It usually won't make a world of difference in a single volley, but it adds up quick and softens up larger targets decently.
If you want to try out a little War Machine hunting, assuming you find yourself against such a thing, you can drop 8 Crossbowmen and the Musicians to make room for 6 Shades. Either kitbash them or use Crossbowmen proxies to try them out before buying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 01:09:56
Subject: Re:1000 Dark Elf Starter List
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Ambitious Space Wolves Initiate
French Polynesia
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Kirbinator wrote:Obrac wrote:The master can't carry the battle standard. Because he has 1 ld higher than the sorceress, he has to be the general, and generals can't carry the BSB.
This is incorrect. You can make any character that specifically is not prohibited your general. While your general is most often your highest Ld. character, it is not mandated that it must be.
Page 107 of the rulebook: "Selecting the General. The General is the character in your army with the highest Leadership. If more than one character share the highest leadership value, you must choose which one is the General and tell your opponent before deploying your army."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 01:15:52
Subject: Re:1000 Dark Elf Starter List
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Wraith
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Obrac wrote:Page 107 of the rulebook: "Selecting the General. The General is the character in your army with the highest Leadership. If more than one character share the highest leadership value, you must choose which one is the General and tell your opponent before deploying your army."
Certainly valid, but once you give the Master a Battle Standard he can no longer be the General and you're left with only the Sorceress to select from. Equipping the character happens before designating a general.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 01:20:33
Subject: Re:1000 Dark Elf Starter List
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Ambitious Space Wolves Initiate
French Polynesia
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Kirbinator wrote:Obrac wrote:Page 107 of the rulebook: "Selecting the General. The General is the character in your army with the highest Leadership. If more than one character share the highest leadership value, you must choose which one is the General and tell your opponent before deploying your army."
Certainly valid, but once you give the Master a Battle Standard he can no longer be the General and you're left with only the Sorceress to select from. Equipping the character happens before designating a general.
I did not know that. That certainly changes a lot of things for me if that's true!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/04/28 01:38:08
Subject: Re:1000 Dark Elf Starter List
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Wraith
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Yep, ever play a low-point game against a Bret player who has a Paladin BSB and a Damsel general? Same thing.
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