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Now I was reading about in Lexicanumand i came across somthing called the Senci so i decided to read up on it and i found ou that the Sense are the actual children of the emperor himself. Thats right not test toob baybies like the Primarch but actual children, so i was wondering which would win in a fight the Primarches or the Sensei.

Every one who says Sensei say Oy

Every one who says Primarch say OO

i would do a Poll but this is funner.

Sensei don't seem to have much more fighting prowess than a very good augmented human.
Primarchs were created for fighting and most have been raised on worlds where fighting is a way of life.
They are pretty damn powerful but i bet that the Sensei would have some kind of strong psyhic abilities of his/her own so it would be a toss up but i'd say that the Primarchs would be the favorites to win.

the Sensei were psychic individuals.

the Emperor couldn't detect them with his psychic powers.


one on one, no question, Primarch would win.

A Sensei, even after reaching apotheosis and communing with the Starchild, is considered to be about equal to a demon prince in power. They are, for all intents and purposes, the Starchild's demon princes, and are called Master Sensei. Think Obi-Wan Kenobi after he was killed, only able to manifest physically. The Sensei fluff actually borrows a lot from the Jedi. Pre-apotheosis they are very powerful psychers, more than likely a bit more powerful than a Chaos sorcerer. I would use a librarian as the comparison, but they are much more Chaotic in the application of their psychic power, as they are generally self-taught, rather than trained like a librarian. They are also immortal, but can be killed. Pre-apotheosis, I do not think that the Sensei would stand a chance. Post-apotheosis, it is anyone's guess, but my money would still be on the Primarch. Those guys were engineered for battle from the Big E's genes. There are also numerous examples in the fluff of primarchs taking down entities as strong or stronger than a demon prince, although the existing fluff does not really go into the extent of a Sensei's powers post-apotheosis. The Sensei were made the good old-fashioned way, and as such there is a bit of a random element. I was only recently turned on to the Sensei fluff, and I am in the process of building a Sensei warband that counts as CSM. The info in the Realms of Chaos books was conflicting in parts, but one of them was also more complete, can't remember which one.

But the Sensei have the ability to pull warp energy much easier than any any other psycher in existance because they are unseen to warp entities i mean it would be like puting Eldrad or mephiston on psychic stariods. Their hight should be close to the Big-E and same with strength because they are his direct descendants. I know they would most likely be weeker but they would still be insainly strong. So i have to say Sensei.

Oy

Many moons ago when my friends and I had a humongous Inquisitor campaign going, one of the players had a Sensei warband instead of an Inquisitor warband. We all agreed that the Senei's maximum stats were more in the Astartes range than the human range. As the Sensei is a direct son of the Emperor, we felt this was more than justified.
That being said though, The primarch's were geneticlly engineered from the emperor's DNA for one purpose: War. I think in almost every case a Primarch would whoop the crap out of a Sensei.
But, as Twinkle Starchild said, the sensei would all be completely different do to the randomness of live birth and mand would have had thousands of years to prefect their martial prowess (if that is what they chose to do,) so there very well could be a few Sensei out there who could kick the tar out of a few of the Primarchs, especially Lorgar

The Primarchs are known to be the Emperor's personal super-duper lab experiments - superhuman physical bodies made with a portion of himself, and infused with a big old spoonful of bargained warp power.

I'd say that the Primarchs are stronger, until we hear otherwise from the fluff.

OO

Oy

oy

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Many moons ago when my friends and I had a humongous Inquisitor campaign going, one of the players had a Sensei warband instead of an Inquisitor warband. We all agreed that the Senei's maximum stats were more in the Astartes range than the human range. As the Sensei is a direct son of the Emperor, we felt this was more than justified.
That being said though, The primarch's were geneticlly engineered from the emperor's DNA for one purpose: War. I think in almost every case a Primarch would whoop the crap out of a Sensei.
But, as Twinkle Starchild said, the sensei would all be completely different do to the randomness of live birth and mand would have had thousands of years to prefect their martial prowess (if that is what they chose to do,) so there very well could be a few Sensei out there who could kick the tar out of a few of the Primarchs, especially Lorgar

yep

Asherian Command wrote:

NagothDaCleaver wrote:Many moons ago when my friends and I had a humongous Inquisitor campaign going, one of the players had a Sensei warband instead of an Inquisitor warband. We all agreed that the Senei's maximum stats were more in the Astartes range than the human range. As the Sensei is a direct son of the Emperor, we felt this was more than justified.
That being said though, The primarch's were geneticlly engineered from the emperor's DNA for one purpose: War. I think in almost every case a Primarch would whoop the crap out of a Sensei.
But, as Twinkle Starchild said, the sensei would all be completely different do to the randomness of live birth and mand would have had thousands of years to prefect their martial prowess (if that is what they chose to do,) so there very well could be a few Sensei out there who could kick the tar out of a few of the Primarchs, especially Lorgar

yep

Yeah, Lorgar is an unspeakable pansy. He wouldn't stand a chance.

[Lorgar] *childish whine* owwwwwwww! Stop hitting meeeeee. *trying to hold back tears* You're smudging my eye makeup!

Why is lorgar such a puss? Isn't he all daemon princey or princessey from what im hearing?

Commisar Von Humps wrote:Why is lorgar such a puss? Isn't he all daemon princey or princessey from what im hearing?

He is Chaos' resident prettyboy. If you don't count the scars he started giving himself, the crazy son of a bitch.

Commisar Von Humps wrote:Why is lorgar such a puss? Isn't he all daemon princey or princessey from what im hearing?

Hes a daemon prince now. But prior to the Horus Heresy he was a colossal puss. Fulgrim has nothing on Lorgar, seriously. Fulgrim wears makeup & flounces around in togas and pink armour, but you'd never call him a mincing fop to his face, because he'd end you. Lorgar would probably just burst into tears.

Not that I'm complaining, it was actually quite nice to see a Primarch who was a characterised as insecure and aware of his own limitations, as opposed to the usual arrogance.

somecallmeJack wrote:

Commisar Von Humps wrote:Why is lorgar such a puss? Isn't he all daemon princey or princessey from what im hearing?

Hes a daemon prince now. But prior to the Horus Heresy he was a colossal puss. Fulgrim has nothing on Lorgar, seriously. Fulgrim wears makeup & flounces around in togas and pink armour, but you'd never call him a mincing fop to his face, because he'd end you. Lorgar would probably just burst into tears.

Not that I'm complaining, it was actually quite nice to see a Primarch who was a characterised as insecure and aware of his own limitations, as opposed to the usual arrogance.

Fulgrim! That's who I was thinking of!

I just realised something, shouldnt by all rights there be female sensei ?

Yes there are.


Implications?

ChronoCupcake wrote:I just realised something, shouldnt by all rights there be female sensei ?

Grey Templar wrote:Yes there are.


Implications?

A girl laying the beatdown on a primarch.

OO
The Primarchs were engineered gods of war. The best the Emperor could make them.

I was hoping that there would be an opening for a female sensei, but the fluff specifically states that it is only his male heirs that inherit all of the cool psychic powers and such. Really unfortunate, it would have been awesome to model a female master sensei for my warband. Would have used Celestine


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Just as a point of clarification: The fluff states that he does have female descendents, just that they do not have the psychic powers. Another example of GW putting up the "No Girlz Aloud" sign on the clubhouse.

it would make sense, if his psychic power mutation is located on his Y chromosome.

Psychic power in general isn't limited to Males, but in the Emperor's case it would easily be explained that way. Note: this doesn't apply to ALL psykers as there have been many female psykers in the fluff. Psychic mutations aren't genetically predisposed to either gender.

its just that if a Male psyker has Psychic genes on only one chromosome then only offspring of that gender would be psykers(assuming the mother wasn't also psychic)

I never really thought about it that way, I rarely think to apply actual science to the grimdark. I just figured that the GW fluff writing nerds that came up with this stuff got shot down a few too many times.

Oy

Oy

Eldrad wrote:Their hight should be close to the Big-E and same with strength because they are his direct descendants. I know they would most likely be weeker but they would still be insainly strong. So i have to say Sensei.

I dunno about this, I mean how similar are you to your dad, in build/Intelligence/Appearance? I can Imagine your pretty similar, but there will be some distict differences. We also see this in the Primarchs, they are not all identical Emp. Clones. As for your question, I'd have say it's depend on the primarch, Magnus would (Probably imo) out-pyske any psyker, and I can imagine some of the other Daemon prince primarchs would whoop ass too.

Umm... Not sure about this one, probably say Sensei if they could phy-nuke the Primarchs at distance, call in Daemon Princes to fight for them etc. One thing I want to know, Who the f0@k is the lucky mothee who did it with the Emperor ?

++This is the Inquisition, we need to put out an EPB on a girl. She is clearly using Warp magic to achieve great luck. Also she bonked the Big E++


But a Primarch would blast a Sensei across the map with a casual backhand and then, depending on the primarch, kill him in some horrific way

I feel that there is no absolute answer, perhaps the primarchs would tend to beat down a sensei in one on one, but I'd but there are plenty of sensei with overwhelming martial experience and prowess that fighting some of the primarchs would be like boxing an infant.