Using Fabius Bile

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**MechaEmperor7000**

Recently I got obsessed with obscure characters, primarly Fabius Bile. Going over his rules, he seems to have some pretty decent tricks, and his points is relatively low for a Character of his status.

One of the main faults I realise he has is his inability to ignore armor, and that seems to be a huge hamper. He does seem however very suited at taking out high toughness characters and forcing wounds, since even one of his 6 attacks (5 base + pistol and CCW) can cause ID, and his needler has 3 shots. His FnP makes him just as durable as any lord in terminator armour and his Enhanced Warrior rule seems to grant normal CSM the Possessed statline, for a cheaper cost than Possessed. Combining it with the MoS can improve their CC capability (however it pales in comparison to the MoN or MoK, as you would need to take 20 marines in a single unit to make it even remotely feasable).

So, any thoughts on the Mad Doktor of 40k?

**schadenfreude**

He is really needed to form a Khorne or Slaneesh theme army. Zerkers and noise marines lack melta, but bile enhanced marines with an icon of khorne or slaneesh can carry 2 meltas and maintain the theme of a mono god khorne or slaneesh army.

**Ailaros**

Yeah, 4 WS5 S10 power fist attacks on the charge seems pretty nasty. Heck, you could probably get away with giving skull champions power weapons instead of fists by that point.

**ServantofChaos**

Well I never much liked the fluff around him but upon re-examining, he does look like a pretty good HQ choice for 160 pts.

But I still think berserkers would we a better choice. For two more points they get and extra attack and furious charge.

**somerandomdude**

Two threads in one day where people think Fabius can upgrade Khorne Berzerkers?

He can only affect Chaos Space Marines (the Troop choice). Not Berzerkers, not Noise Marines, not even Chosen or Havocs.

Schaden has it right - he gives your melta troops a bit more oomph.

**Hido**

They are talking about giving CSM the MoS or MoK, not giving it to the cult troops.

**Melkhiordarkblade**

Fabius is pretty nice I think,looking at him now I see.
5 S5 attacks are always great.
His gun wounds on 2+.

He may allow saves,but ID kinda makes up for it,if you go for the big guys.

FnP is not to be sniffed either.

The enhanced troops can really get the edge in CC.

**MechaEmperor7000**

He seems to be geared towards killing Monsters and Characters, since only one wound is ever needed (and with a whopping 7 attacks on the charge, that isnt hard). But to get the most out of him would be to use the Enhanced Warriors. Unless you dont mech up or dont take an Icon (other than MoS) it's usually just better to take the cult troopers for the equivallent point cost (although MoN does make each Marine into essentially a mini-ogryn).

**Flavius Infernus**

Schadenfreude said it: Khorne Berzerkers can't take melta. So you have to invest in expensive chosen, raptors, or oblit support to open the transports so that the berzerkers can fight the guys inside.

Enhanced marines with an icon of Khorne fight/cost comparably to berzerkers, but enhanced marines can bring their own meltaguns. So you can spam many rhinos full of enhanced marines and have plenty of antitank.

**somerandomdude**

Hido wrote:They are talking about giving CSM the MoS or MoK, not giving it to the cult troops.

Oh really? I was responding mostly to this:

Ailaros wrote:Yeah, 4 WS5 S10 power fist attacks on the charge seems pretty nasty. Heck, you could probably get away with giving skull champions power weapons instead of fists by that point.

Skull Champions (and WS5/S10 powerfist) tells me he's talking about Berzerkers, so I was pointing it out early in the thread who can be Enhanced.