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I'm brand new to Dakka Dakka so I'd like to introduce myself. More importantly, I have a 1750 list I've been working on and I want to see if you folks approve.



HQ

Lord Morthos, Hellion Commander: 105 Points
(My personal reflavoring for Baron Sathonyx)

Elites

Incubi x5: 175 Points[b]
-Venom with additional Splinter Cannon

[b]Trueborn x5: 185 Points
-4 Blasters, Venom with additional Splinter Cannon

[/b]Troops

Hellions x14 (Helliarch included): 229 Points
-Agoniser

Hellions x10 (Helliarch included): 205 Points
-Agoniser, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Warriors x10: 170 Points
-Splinter Cannon, Shredder, Raider with Splinter Racks

Warriors x10: 170 Points
-Splinter Cannon, Shredder, Raider with Splinter Racks



Fast Attack

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Heavy Support

Razorwing Jetfighter: 165 Points
-2 Necrotoxin Missiles, Flicker Fields

Razorwing Jetfighter: 165 Points
-2 Necrotoxin Missiles, Flicker Fields

Voidraven Bomber: 175 Points[b]
-2 Monoscythe Missiles, Flicker Fields

Points Total: 1744
Model Count: 62
Dark Lances: 6
Blasters: 4
Void Lances: 2
Void Mines: 1

Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel like I have a decent number of splinter shots, some powerful anti-infantry missiles, plenty of scoring and halfway decent anti-tank. Let's see what you guys think. By the way, do you guys prefer Night Shields or Flickers on my Jetfighters?

EDIT: I realize the duke comes with A PGL so I removed it from my helliarch. I also took some good advice and replaced my one footslogging squad with more hellions. Seeing that my anti-tank was a bit lackluster I took away my raider's night shields and saved enough points to replace a razorwing with a voidraven. While I know three ravagers would be better than my aircraft, I use what I like.


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Nothing? :(

Thats quite an interesting list. A bit different to normal, but i think it can work well enough.

Three things bother me slightly.
First, does the Truborn Venom have a second splinter cannon? I think all venoms should.
Secondly, i would personally like another Hellion squad or two, even if only 5-10 Hellions (Maybe reduce the size of that big squad down to 14/15)
Thirdly, the last squad of Warriors... No transport, i just think they don't really fit in here.

If you drop the third lot of warriors, 5 Hellions from the bigger squad, you should be able to get yourself another decent size Hellion squad (maybe drop the Splinter racks, i can't remember what they do, so just because of that i'm guessing there not really a item that is desperately needed)

On the Razorwings, i would take cover save one (Flicker Fields isn't it?). Although the reduced distance may help you at times, if you get a few lucky rolls with your 5+ cover, thats much more important in my eyes.

Hope that helps

At the very least I find the splinter racks a weak investment, they won't help either the SHredder or the S.Cannon and thus are pretty darn expensive for a very moderate and conditional gain in poison weaponry effeciency. The points are better spent on a 2nd S.Cannon on that Trueborn Venom and you'll have points left over besides. I also don't particularly like the N.Shields on Raiders that are trying to maximize rapid fire as a strategy.

To be honest i actually find the entire concept of Hellions to be a weak investment - but if you're insisting on them that's your business.

That footsloggin Warrior squad - what are they about? The extra Lance? Check out the cost for 5 Warriors w. Blaster in a Raider - you get the same weaponry loadout except that it's *far* more maneuverable, which considering the rest of your army is very important.

I consider Razorwings to be inferior to Ravagers for hunting vehicles, though very good at hunting infantry. However, since pretty much the rest of your army is built to hunt infantry...why do you need three of these? Points could be easily saved and the army made more balanced by getting some Ravagers instead. I really think your army needs a bit more anti-mech focus to be truly competitive.

Thanks for the help guys.

Rodgers, I took just about all your advice.

Thor, while I agree with you on the lackluster darklance squad, I just can't bring myself to ditch my aircraft. Realizing you were right about my anti-tank abilities, I at least replaced one razorwing with a voidraven, which I realize has better armor and is a little better versus mech.

You have 12 lances at 1750. I have 25 lances at 1500, and I still have issues with competitive armor. IMO, this list will not work in the tournament environment. Get more. I also think you've wasted alot if points on warrior units.

I DEFINITELY ain't no tourney player, but I see the validity of your advice. I'll either edit this with radical edits or repost.

Further, I really can't buy the fliers. They're really expensive for a paper thin vehicle. As others will, I recommend ravagers. Cheap as hell and they give you solid anti tank fire power.

Stupid question-

Has anyone had any luck with "alternative" anti tank options?

Shock prows, furious charging grotesques out of raiders with a hammie, arcane wargear options, etc.?

I'm just so uninspired by the ravager- I'll take one if I absolutely have to but I wonder if there are any creative alternatives.

I've been tempted to take Scourges with haywire blasters. But have not done so yet.

there are certainly alternatives to Ravagers - they're just all more expensive than the Ravager.

If you want to go this route I'd at least recommend dropping the Incubi and filling Elites with 3x Trueblasters in addition to your air power options. I'd also probably get more things in Raiders and less in Venoms. That would probably get you at least a fairly large way towards amping anti-tank while avoiding Ravagers.

At 1750 it's just more point efficient to just go with the Ravager - that's why you see them so often.