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ok so im not sure where this shouls go but anyway
im planning an elysian army, but i seem to be drawing a blank when it comes to there special rules (and their vehical rules) and was wondering could anyone enlighten me as to there where abouts and extent.
thanks

They are in one of the Forgeworld IA books. I believe they do have a preview for them. I started one of these armies myself but currently I am just playing them as a fast attack IG army until I get the book.

Check lexicanum for some info...
IIRC most of their campaigns tend to end up with them being slaughtered to a man, so they are either incredibly bad fighters or really unlucky.

Lysenis wrote:They are in one of the Forgeworld IA books. I believe they do have a preview for them. I started one of these armies myself but currently I am just playing them as a fast attack IG army until I get the book.

cheers was wondering, yea i have been doing the same was using them as a storm troope unit for GK but since that boat has sailed thought i would make an army of elysians

purplefood wrote:Check lexicanum for some info...
IIRC most of their campaigns tend to end up with them being slaughtered to a man, so they are either incredibly bad fighters or really unlucky.

Ok will do
they are still guardsmen after all, basically their job, right ?

Elysians are supposed to be all tactical 'n' shizz...

You want Imperial Armour 8 for the most updated rules for Elysians.

a few guardsmen + a few valkyries/vendettas = tactical
should work right

You'd think it'd work...

Oh yeah, on more thing before you open your wallet, Elysians are currently the most expensive army per model.

I have a 1500 point Elysian army that costs more than what it cost for my 2500 point krieg army (just using FW models) Just some food for thought.

and hope . . .
i really hope it will work other wise i got nothing :( might have to turn to *gulp* regular IG

In the story, Elysians get owned hard because their aircraft pull away to refuel. In game you have no such problems, in fact all air guard is one of the strongest lists I have played, it plays out a bit like mech guard, except the transports you are in are more expensive and boast more firepower.

Anti mech lists that include things like Hydras and Rifleman dreads hurt you quite a bit though. Thank goodness for built in extra armour!

Snarky wrote:In the story, Elysians get owned hard because their aircraft pull away to refuel. In game you have no such problems, in fact all air guard is one of the strongest lists I have played, it plays out a bit like mech guard, except the transports you are in are more expensive and boast more firepower.

Anti mech lists that include things like Hydras and Rifleman dreads hurt you quite a bit though. Thank goodness for built in extra armour!

Yes, posititivity ! think the vendettas would take care of the dreads fairly easily, would it not come down to who fires first ? and probably use a unit or two of deep strikiers to deal with hydras and the like
thanks for the info, apreshiate knowing they dont suck, its their fuel capacity . . . .

You can just outflank or Deepstrike your Vendetta/Valkyire/Squads to hit his Hydras, Dreads and any other anti tank unit really, the key to all air is that you are super mobile, on big tables you can really put the firepower of the guard right where you want it, while still being fairly tough (AV12/12/10 is actually a fairly sturdy platform).

If you are using the IA list, there are several super cheesy builds you can do, my all time favourite is taking Thandstadt, a blob of 50 men and a scanner squad with vox. Hide the Vox in a Valkyrie, then deepstrike the blob if you can with officer IC if you can, then use FRFSRF and the twin link scan ability to get 150 twin linked lasgun shots.

A few points
-aircraft
-sentinals
-heavy weapon teams, mainly heavy bolters and missle launchers, things that can be carried around
-elite troops- i'd go for veterans and storm troopers

enjoy


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A few points
-aircraft
-sentinals
-heavy weapon teams, mainly heavy bolters and missle launchers, things that can be carried around
-elite troops- i'd go for veterans and storm troopers

enjoy

The forge world Imperial Army volume 7 Taros Campaign has details on the famous 23rd Elysian Regiment which would have much if not all of the material you need.

I realize this is an expensive proposition for most people and I'd love to post those details here for you, but I believe that it would be illegal to do so.

It would be...
Or it would get Dakka in trouble...

purplefood wrote:It would be...
Or it would get Dakka in trouble...

Yeah, makes me feel crappy that I can't help out though...

Here a complete list of their victories:
/end of list

Uhlan wrote:

purplefood wrote:It would be...
Or it would get Dakka in trouble...

Yeah, makes me feel crappy that I can't help out though...

Well you have helped out alot, i am one step closer now

Kroothawk wrote:Here a complete list of their victories:
/end of list

victory ? who said i wanted a victory ? as long as i blow something up or kill things im pretty much happy
and yes i played orks for a while

think i the rules for the vehicals are in a differant book

IA8 has a full army list for them but you will also need the guard codex. (for the valks, vendettas and weapon stats)


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Uhlan wrote:The forge world Imperial Army volume 7 Taros Campaign has details on the famous 23rd Elysian Regiment which would have much if not all of the material you need

Taros is IA3 and that army list is way out of date.

Scott-S6 wrote:IA8 has a full army list for them but you will also need the guard codex. (for the valks, vendettas and weapon stats)


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Uhlan wrote:The forge world Imperial Army volume 7 Taros Campaign has details on the famous 23rd Elysian Regiment which would have much if not all of the material you need

Taros is IA3 and that army list is way out of date.

Which one has the more up to date lists ?

Imperial Armour 8 had the most current Elysian list, which is adapted to match points/equipment with the current Imperial Guard codex which you also will need to things like equipment and vehicle stats.

Some basic points to think about regarding elysians can be kind of summed up with:

- Valkyries as the only dedicated transport
- Pretty much every unit can deepstrike
- No ground vehicles from the IG codex what so ever.

There are some other variations regarind equipment and such which makes some units change roles compared to the IG codex but those 3 above are the major changes.

Sarapham wrote:Imperial Armour 8 had the most current Elysian list, which is adapted to match points/equipment with the current Imperial Guard codex which you also will need to things like equipment and vehicle stats.

Ok thanks, i have a copy of the new IG codex so thats that box ticked

Sarapham wrote:Some basic points to think about regarding elysians can be kind of summed up with:

- Valkyries as the only dedicated transport
- Pretty much every unit can deepstrike
- No ground vehicles from the IG codex what so ever.

There are some other variations regarind equipment and such which makes some units change roles compared to the IG codex but those 3 above are the major changes.

the first two i dont have a problem with but does that mean no artillery ? (manticores, griffons, basiliskss etc)

Yes, no tanks that are based on the Leman Russ or Chimera chassis. Meaning no artillery.

Also, you'll be glad to know you don't get lascannon/autocannon heavy weapon teams, and missile launchers cost the same amount as lascannons for heavy weapon squads (so hurray for overpriced weapons)

Also, although everything gets deepstrike and Iron Discipline (may regroup under 50% casualties if within 6" of an officer) You pay for these in the squad already, as squads are often 5-10 points more expensive then their guard counterparts.

Also, don't think about taking cookie cutter command squads like 4x melta. You can only take 1 special weapon per command squad. Oh, and no advisors except for the officer of the fleet, who is oh so useful in a reserve heavy army.

Rock on.

Snarky wrote:Yes, no tanks that are based on the Leman Russ or Chimera chassis. Meaning no artillery.

Snarky wrote:Also, you'll be glad to know you don't get lascannon/autocannon heavy weapon teams, and missile launchers cost the same amount as lascannons for heavy weapon squads (so hurray for overpriced weapons)

well cant the Tauros Venator have TL lascannons for 15pts ? not very overpriced IMHO

Snarky wrote:Also, although everything gets deepstrike and Iron Discipline (may regroup under 50% casualties if within 6" of an officer) You pay for these in the squad already, as squads are often 5-10 points more expensive then their guard counterparts.

worth evey point

Snarky wrote:Also, don't think about taking cookie cutter command squads like 4x melta. You can only take 1 special weapon per command squad. Oh, and no advisors except for the officer of the fleet, who is oh so useful in a reserve heavy army.

well then i shall go for the option of four "auxillery gernade launchers" instead not the same but 3 points each

Snarky wrote:Rock on.

i will

Snarky wrote:Yes, no tanks that are based on the Leman Russ or Chimera chassis. Meaning no artillery.

Also, you'll be glad to know you don't get lascannon/autocannon heavy weapon teams, and missile launchers cost the same amount as lascannons for heavy weapon squads (so hurray for overpriced weapons)

Also, although everything gets deepstrike and Iron Discipline (may regroup under 50% casualties if within 6" of an officer) You pay for these in the squad already, as squads are often 5-10 points more expensive then their guard counterparts.

Also, don't think about taking cookie cutter command squads like 4x melta. You can only take 1 special weapon per command squad. Oh, and no advisors except for the officer of the fleet, who is oh so useful in a reserve heavy army.

Rock on.

There are of course some upsides as well:

Drop Sentinels with Multi-melta.

Demolition charges in many units as well as lascutter (S9 cc weapon)

Aux-grenade launcher, basically a combi-grenade launcher.

Tauros of both kinds are awesome.

Non-squadroned Valkyries.

Vultures (mmmm twin-linked Punisher cannons)

Sarapham wrote:There are of course some upsides as well:

Drop Sentinels with Multi-melta.

Demolition charges in many units as well as lascutter (S9 cc weapon)

Aux-grenade launcher, basically a combi-grenade launcher.

Tauros of both kinds are awesome.

Non-squadroned Valkyries.

Vultures (mmmm twin-linked Punisher cannons)

*drooling*

ahem yea the the tauros venator is my favourite cheap with TL lascannons . . . . *drooling*

the vulture armed well is just a beast

Aux GL spam on vets is an interesting option.

Demo charges everywhere and some Cyclops to boot is interesting also.