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Hey guys i'm starting up a WoC army and was wondering if any of you guys could tell me what works well in this army? Whats the general standard size of alist these days? I havent played many games of 8th edition but i hear lists are generally 2.5kish now? Also is kholek suneater any good cus i love the idea of him

Thanks

Off the cuff 2500 games are most popular it seems, with 2000, 2400 and 3000 cropping up periodically.

What's good in WoC: nearly everything. Especially good:

Warriors (MoK with Halberds and shields, MoT with shields.)
Marauders in BIG blocks (30+ GW and MoK, or Sword/Board MoT)
Hellcannons
pretty much whatever you want after you have those three.

No idea on Kholek, but he is pretty expensive to field points wise, and many tournaments don't allow special characters, so that's something to think of.

Thanks for the help mate What sort of size are warriors usually ran in 20 ( 5x 4), 24 (6 x 4) or what ?

Usually the lists I have seen run between 18 and 24, basically just a question of how many ranks of 6 you want. I have seen lists with bigger 30 man units, but it just seems to me that you are just getting too many points that never get to swing in one big, unwieldy unit at that point. However 30-40 in a horde might be really scary, especially with a warshrine.

Still 18-24 seems to be the sweet spot. Especially with MoT and shields they are super tough to kill, so anymore than 24 and you might want to just add another unit for maneuverability. Warriors pack a LOT of hurt into a small unit, so many moderately sized units can really work.

What do you think of this?

Chaos Lord (1 , 320 pts)
Chaos Lord of Tzeentch 1 In 4 8/9 3 5/6 5 3 7 5/6 9 5+ 3+
Chaos Runesword 1 +1WS, +1St, +1At
Armour of Destiny 1 Heavy Armour. Grants 4+ Ward Save

Exalted Hero (1 , 191 pts)
Exalted Hero of Khorne
The Will of Chaos; Eye of the Gods; Mark of Khorne; Barding; Hand Weapon; Chaos
Armor; Shield; Frenzy
Axe of Khorne +1 Strength, Killing Blow.

Sorcerer (1 , 165 pts)
Chaos Sorcerer of Tzeentch 1 In 4 5 3 4 4 2 5 2 8 4+ 6+
The Will of Chaos; Eye of the Gods; Mark of Tzeentch: Ward Save improves by +1 (or 6+
Ward Save if none was available before). Sorcerers gain +1 on attempts to cast spells.; Level
2 Upgrade; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor
Dispel Scroll 1 Once per battle, automatically dispels an enemy spell.

Chaos Warriors (24 , 468 pts)
Chaos Warriors of Khorne 23 In 4 5 3 4/5 4 1 5 2/3 8 3+ 468
Composition: Core
The Will of Chaos; Mark of Khorne; Musician ; Standard Bearer ; Hand Weapon;
Halberd; Chaos Armor; Shield; Frenzy
Champion of Khorne 1 In 4 5 3 4/5 4 1 5 3/4 8 3+
Mark of Khorne; Hand Weapon; Halberd; Chaos Armor; Shield; Frenzy

Chaos Warriors (24 , 468 pts)
×Chaos Warriors of Khorne 23 In 4 5 3 4/5 4 1 5 2/3 8 3+ 468
Composition: Core
The Will of Chaos; Mark of Khorne; Musician ; Standard Bearer ; Hand Weapon;
Halberd; Chaos Armor; Shield; Frenzy
Champion of Khorne 1 In 4 5 3 4/5 4 1 5 3/4 8 3+ [29]
Mark of Khorne; Hand Weapon; Halberd; Chaos Armor; Shield; Frenzy

Chaos Marauders (29 , 214 pts)
Chaos Marauders of Tzeentch 28 In 4 4 3 3 3 1 4 1 7 5+ 6+,
6+*
The Will of Chaos; Mark of Tzeentch: Ward Save improves by +1 (or 6+ Ward Save if
none was available before). Sorcerers gain +1 on attempts to cast spells.; Musician ;
Standard Bearer ; Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Shield
Chieftan of Tzeentch 1 In 4 4 3 3 3 1 4 2 7 5+ 6+,
6+*
Mark of Tzeentch: Ward Save improves by +1 (or 6+ Ward Save if none was available
before). Sorcerers gain +1 on attempts to cast spells.; Hand Weapon; Light Armour; Shield

Chaos Knights (5 , 295 pts)
Chaos Knights of Khorne 4 Ca 4 5 3 4/5 4 1 5 2/3 8 1+
The Will of Chaos; Ensorcelled Weapons: Count as magic weapons, +1 Strength unless
replaced by lances; Mark of Khorne; Musician ; Standard Bearer ; Barding; Hand
Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield; Causes Fear; Frenzy
Champion of Khorne 1 Ca 4 5 3 4/5 4 1 5 3/4 8 1+ [60]
Mark of Khorne; Hand Weapon; Chaos Armor; Shield; Frenzy
Chaos Steed 5 - 8/7 3 - 4 3 1 3 1/2 5 - [0]
Standard of Discipline 1 Unit has +1 leadership but cannot use General's inspiring presence

Chaos Warshrine (5 , 335 pts)

Hellcannon 1 Mo 6 4 3 5 6 5 1 5 4 4+ 205
Composition: Rare
Rampage; Doomfire; Bound Daemon. If crew are destroyed takes a Monster Reaction test;
Causes Terror; Large Target; Unbreakable
Crew 3 - 3 4 3 3 4 1 2 1 9 5+ [0]
Hand Weapon; Heavy Armour

Chaos Warshrine 1 Mo 4 5 3 4 6 4 5 5 8 4+ 4+ 130
Composition: Rare
The Will of Chaos; Giver of Glory; Does not gain Thunderstomp rule

Chaos Hounds (6 , 36 pts)
Chaos Warhounds 6 WB 7 4 - 3 3 1 3 1 5 - 36
Composition: Core
The Will of Chaos
Total Cost: 2492

Is that a unit of 5 chaos warshrines there?

Changes:
1) Give the lord something other than armor of destiny. The 4+ ward talisman is probably better. Personally I think he should have a sword of swift slaying instead of the rune sword for the rerolls to hit. Alternately, 4+ ward tali, Helm of Many eyes and halberd, plus maybe Dragon helm for 3+/3++ and rerolls to hit, or instead of dragon hat the Rending Sword for rerolls to hit AND wound. Lords/Exalteds are a little expensive for the extra damage they do if you don't mitigate the possibility of completely fluffing your attacks/wounds. I think rerolls on hits is the way to go if you can.
2) More marauders. Pay for it by losing the champ on your knights. If you want to be cheeky, give the mounted exalted (assuming you want him in your knights) MoT and the Knights MoT with the Banner of Rage. Now your knights have a 6+ ward and Frenzy they can never lose.
3) BSB needs a ward item.
4) I would put the Banner of Flaming Attacks on one of the warrior units. You want something to deal with regening monsters.

Looks pretty good though. If you are having trouble finding points dropping a warrior or two will do, or a warshrine in a pinch. Shouldn't take too many tweaks to get it to fighting trim!

As a note though, army builder exports are kind of hard to read on the forum. Just unit, size and gear is good enough for the most part; don't need the rules or slot

Cheers mate ill have a play around

When you say more marauders do you mean another unit or more in the first unit?


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Ok heres what ive come up with

Chaos lord of Tzzentch 320
Rending sword
Talisman of preservation
Helm of many eyes

Exalted hero of Tzeentch 175
BSB
Talisman of endurance

Exalted hero of Tzeentch 186
Chaos steed
Axe of Khorne

Sorcerer of Tzeentch 165
lvl 2
Dispel scroll

Chaos warriors of khorne x 20 410
full cmd
Banner of eternal flame - flaming attacks

Chaos warriors of khorne x 20 415
full cmd
Lichbone pennant - magic res 1

Chaos marauders of Tzeentch x 40 280
full cmd
light armor, shield

Chaos Knights of Tzeentch x 5 285
Std bearer, musician
Banner of rage - frenzy, cant be lost

Hellcannon 205

Chaos hounds x 6 54
poisoned attacks

Total
2495

Sorry, yea meant more in one unit. I think 30 is pretty close to minimum since they are so cheap.
That second list looks pretty fun. I would be interested to see how it works for you in games!

Hellcannon!!!

Well ivew bought some of the stuff on the list, mainly a battalion, another box of warriors and a few extras, going get them built and painted then expand the army till i have the full list cheers for all your help

Just a note, remember that if you save the spare weapons from the warriors and marauders (axes are best from the marauders) you can convert the GW marauders from the flails with a quick cut and glue. They look nice also