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Can an IC join up with Mordrak and his ghost knights?

If so do they retain "First to the Fray"?

Thanks!

I wouldn't see why not. He's not a unit that always consists of one model, and he's not a monstrous creature. I think most people drop a Librarian in with him.

daedalus wrote:I wouldn't see why not. He's not a unit that always consists of one model, and he's not a monstrous creature.

Monstrous Creatures are not disallowed from having an IC join them, it is just that most of them are (were?) units that consist of only one model.

Ah, valid point.

His rules are that he deep strikes on the first turn with no scatter, so it would seem you can as long as the IC can also deep strike.

Thanks! I didnt think there was anything wrong with it, but it just didn't feel 100% right.

Note, also, that Mordak does not need to have brought any ghost knights with him to be joined by an IC, nor even to generate ghost knights during the game(the generating ghost knights even if he hadn't bought any is why he can be joined without having purchased them).

Kommissar Kel wrote:(the generating ghost knights even if he hadn't bought any is why he can be joined without having purchased them).

Not exactly. The rule states that an IC can't join a unit that ALWAYS consists of 1 model. To give an example, nid IC can join a unit of a single fex cuz it can, if you choose, have more than one model. A farseer cannot join a wraithlord because it is always one model, and can never be more. With the new dex as an example, and IC can join a squad of one paladin because you can, if you wish, take more than one paladin. An IC can also join another IC to make a squad of 2 ICs.

To add: The IC must actually be able to deep strike with him, so no Inquisitors or artificer amor people allowed(Brotherhood Champion, Coteaz, Techmarine). Exception: Ordo Malleus Inquisitor with terminator armor upgrade.

Sothas wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:(the generating ghost knights even if he hadn't bought any is why he can be joined without having purchased them).

Not exactly. The rule states that an IC can't join a unit that ALWAYS consists of 1 model. To give an example, nid IC can join a unit of a single fex cuz it can, if you choose, have more than one model. A farseer cannot join a wraithlord because it is always one model, and can never be more. With the new dex as an example, and IC can join a squad of one paladin because you can, if you wish, take more than one paladin. An IC can also join another IC to make a squad of 2 ICs.

So, a Tyranid Prime can join a Hive Tyrant that has no Tyrant Guard?

No.

1. Any question ever resulting in a benefit for tyranids is answered with "No".
2. The hive guard has a special rule allowing them to be joined by hive tyrants or swarm lords, which is explicitly breaking a rule. A hive tyrant unit is still a unit that will always consist of one model, a hive guard unit can consist of hive guards+hive tyrant. If the shield wall ability was on the hive tyrant instead of the guard, he could be joined by a tyranid prime.

Sothas wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:(the generating ghost knights even if he hadn't bought any is why he can be joined without having purchased them).

Not exactly. The rule states that an IC can't join a unit that ALWAYS consists of 1 model. To give an example, nid IC can join a unit of a single fex cuz it can, if you choose, have more than one model. A farseer cannot join a wraithlord because it is always one model, and can never be more. With the new dex as an example, and IC can join a squad of one paladin because you can, if you wish, take more than one paladin. An IC can also join another IC to make a squad of 2 ICs.

That is almost exactly what I said.

Mordak is a single model unit.
Purchasing Mordak allows for the Purchasing of a ghost knight unit that mordak can join as an upgrade character(you are not simply adding Ghost knights to mordak's unit, as you are with Carniexes).
Mordak's own rules allow him to generate a ghost knight for every wound he takes, this ghost knight is added to his unit.
Therefore Mordak is not always a unit of 1 Model(much like a tomb spyder for necrons).

The ghost knight unit is a separate unit that Mordak Joins as the upgrade character, it is not simply additional models in his unit: this is RAW.