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HQ
Colonel Iron Hand Straken 95
Company Command Squad Commander power fist, heavy flamer, 3 flamers 100

Elites
Ogryns 1 Bone ‘ ead, 4 ogryns, Lord Commisar w. p fist, Chimera 350
Ratlings 10 Ratlings 100
Stormtroopers 10 Stormtroopers, 2 meltas, in the vendetta (see below) 205

Troops
Platoon Command Junior officer, 4 guardsmen 30
Veterans 10 Vets, 3 meltas, Demolitions, Chimera 185
Veterans 10 Vets, 3 plasma 115
Veteran 10 Vets, 3 flamers, Harker 140
Heavy Weapons team 3 Missiles 90
Heavy Weapons team 3 Mortars 60

Fast Attack
Vendetta 3 twin linked lascannons 130

Heavy Support
Leman Russ Battle Tank 2 H. Bolters, lascannon 185
Leman Russ Punisher 3 Heavy Bolters, Pask 250
Leman Russ Executioner Lascannon, 2 Plasma Cannons 245
Medusa Heavy Bolter, Bastion Breacher 140
Manticore Heavy Bolter 160
Baneblade Command Tank 550
3220 total
Clearly need more troops, but dont know what to take, Any advice or pointers you could give me would be great. Thanks guys!!!!!!

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Ok couple of things:

Army is illegal, you need two infantry squads per platoon command squad.
3220 Points is a ton, and you can't take baneblades in regular games. Aim for about 1500-2000 points for a regular game.

For elites, neither of those selections is very competitive, but can be fun to play with.
Either go full mechvet or full gunline, I've heard that those are the most competitive. Though I believe a combo list could be successful.

Also, providing a list is good, but providing a plan of action is better. What do you plan on doing with the army?
   
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I know the army list is too big for regular games etc etc, this is just what i want in my army, as in, to choose from, and if I have an apocalypse game then i can bring out the big guns.
Didnt realise the 2+ troops was specifically infantry. Ok, i'll throw a couple of them in there, is there a limit on veterans, it doesnt specify?

To be honest, i dont plan on playing competitively at all so i hadnt really though about strategy too much!

My thoughts with the vets. was that each one is perfect for taking out something, got one for charging in and hitting tanks early, one if I have to beat lightly armoured hordes, and one for heavy troops.
Really just taken what i think is cool !!!!
Thanks for the help

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Straken is an upgrade and replaces the officer in the CCS so the extra points on a PF is wasted. Heavy Flamers aren't that great for the points either, just take another flamer and save yourself the 15 points.

If the Stormies are going to be suicide dropping on a tank just stick to a basic squad of 5, they tend to die fast and they aren't cheap. If you want a full strength stormy squad take plasma to form a gunline (but Vets are still so much better at this).

As said before the platoon is not legal and it does seem that you are lacking troops choices for a 3000pt army as you have said yourself. Either a big blob platoon or 2 and some Chimera mounted Vets would be good, possibly both.

Finally the Punisher is pretty awful, especially as the second most expensive Leman Russ Hull. Yes it does a stupid amount of shots but they aren't going to kill a lot as a lot of those shots will miss or get armour saves. The Leman Russ will form a squadron here and will have to shoot at the same target and at the moment there isn't a huge amount of synergy between them.

Anyway hope this helps with the list building
   
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I totally get where you are coming from with the Punisher, but i just love it! Pretty much just buying it for the model, plus the army that i play the most is orks, so probably quite a lot of influence there, its gotta be pretty good against orks. 32 shots a turn with 3 heavy bolters, i like those odds.

I am undecided on whether to tool up the Stormies with Meltas for tanks or plasmas a drop them in behind enemy lines with those AP 3 guns to do some damage to quality squands.

With the Leman Russ squad, they dont HAVE to go in a squad, do they??

I think i'll take your advice with the Heavy flamer, and with the commander, i forgot to change this army list, i only realised he upgraded the commander after i wrote it, but just chucked it up on here without changing.
Thanks for the tips!

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Gnawing Giant Rat



Birmingham

I hadn't read your previous post about this being the collection rather than an army list as such. Those tanks not squadding up is pretty good. If you are going to be facing orks a lot then flamers are a definite winner, as are Heavy Bolters for horde and Autocannons for popping trucks. I would probably also go with Valkyries with Rocket Pods instead of Vendettas for some big move and shoot pie plates but that would be my preference.

Finally one other thing to consider that sometimes get overlooked is the awesome Hellhound. Burn through cover and watch those big hordes of Orks go crispy, and it will even deal with light transports.
   
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I would put a Hellhound in very quickly, but i think they are one of the most over priced kits GW produces. £30 for 120 odd points. I just cant justify it!

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Gnawing Giant Rat



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Its not cheap but then again its 3 kits in one really as a Hellhound, Devil Dog or Banewolf, all of which are good. You could always scratch build it from a Chimera or convert one from a different model all together. Its not as bad as the Chimera which is £20 for a model that is less than half the points of a Hellhound.
   
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Very True, will give it some consideration

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Calgary AB, Canada

If you go by the price of the model itself, whats worse than the hellhound IMO is the vendetta, as its 70 bucks Canadian for the model, and then you have to get a hold of the lascannons to go on it. Its only 130pts. Its also one of the best units in the codex

Just my 2 cents

 
   
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True, but its an awesome model. The hellhound is pretty much the same as the Chimera, the Vendetta, is the size of a super heavy!

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If this is just a list of models and not meant to be an army list, then I would suggest it's in the wrong section ...

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Its not just a list of models, hence the huge army list part in the first post. I was just looking for a bit of advice on whats wrong with the army that i was gonna collect, and i got some, so, whats the problem?

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akn102991 wrote:For elites, neither of those selections is very competitive, but can be fun to play with.
Either go full mechvet or full gunline, I've heard that those are the most competitive. Though I believe a combo list could be successful.


Most elite choices are looked down upon when they're better than they seem. The Ogryn combined with the LC can actually be pretty neat. Ailaros has had some good exprience with them, I think, and I've been giving them serious consideration. They've really only got a place in games 1850 and above, though. Stormtroopers can be great, but I've never been able to justify squads bigger than 5, since you really just want them for the special weapons. Ratlings are crap almost all of the time.

Mech Vet is good, that's true. Gunlines, for the most part, belong in 4th edition. Flexibity and mobility are really key in 5th, so if you do a gunline you have to be very careful. Also, you're completely disregarding infantry and hybrid builds, which can do rather well. Actually, I'm solidly of the opinion that a hybrid build is the strongest, with the particulars of the mix being dependent on your meta.

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Thanks for the advice.
I had ratlings when i did a guard army quite a while ago and they were always good. It just seems that they could be good for taking down monsterous creatures and the sort. I do get the feeling they might just die or run away very easily, is this where you are coming from?

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Actually, Yarrick is awesome with Ogryn because he doesn't kill the Bone Head on a failed Ld roll. I love Ogryns and run a full squad of 10 when I play in a game that will allow the points (410pts). But yeah, your really looking at over 1500Pts plus to run them.

They also can be given orders and with Creed and Kell you use Creed's leadership 10 and not the Bone heads 8. Move, move, move! helps get them into combat faster than a Chimera, and if they are firing on the Ogryns, it means your other stuff isn't being targeted.

Also, to be frank, Rough Riders are pretty awesome if you want something other than a Hellhound. Str 5, Init 5 power weapons on a single charge, 21 attacks with a full squad of 10. I run 3 squads of 10 and I do not regret them at all and my friends have learned to fear them.

Yes, you can run 3 Leman Russ tanks as your 3 Heavy selection, but that is all you will have and IG do have alot of nice choices.

Been playing 40k on and off since 89.
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Orks, Eldar, Lamentors, Pre-Heresy EC, CSM EC, and IG.  
   
 
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