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Anybody have or know of Any tactics for SW that don't involve razor/Long fang spam or mass thunderwolves. The units I'd like to use are all four HQs and At least one Lone wolf or what ever you call the single Elite model. Thanks.

I suppose it depends on what your definition of spam is. For me, it depends on how many of the same unit vs. the point total and what ratio to other units in my army or how much I rely on them.

For example: http://space-wolves-grey.blogspot.com/2011/03/1750-points-space-wolves-gt-army.html

That army uses long fangs and razorbacks, but for a 1750 point army and only using 2 units of 4 ML long fangs with TL lazorbacks, I wouldn't call it spam. It's not the core element of the army but rather a reduced supporting unit for the GH-filled rhinos and the terminator land raider. It's a nice balanced army not really spamming anything IMO. It doesn't have the 4 HQs that you want which is where you'll have to get creative.

If Long Fangs are absolutely taboo for you then try replacing them with Land Speeder typhoons for mobile long range support.

Wolf lords and Wolf Priests can often go together in, for example, swift claw biker themed armies (check out Littlbitz swiftclaw tactica for good info on using them effectively http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?showtopic=212788&st=0&start=0 look for littlbitz posts throughout that thread).

Or you could do a balanced mix of a Land Raider Crusader with a wolf priest and 15 blood claws supported by 2 rhinos of 8 GH, 1 powerfist wolfguard, 1 Rune Priest, with your 4th HQ being a Thunder Wolf Lord with 3 Thunderwolves to distract your oponent while you run your transports + lone wolf up the board, and supported by Land Speeders, wolf scouts led by a powerfist wolfguard OBEL and coming in to destroy or assault / multi-assault your opponent's support. For your own long range support, use 2 Long Fangs or if you want something different, use 2 Vindcators (which probably won't live long but will be a scary distraction as you push them up the field along with your transports) or use land speeder typhoons as sort of mobile long fangs or Multi melta/Heavy flamer dreadnought in a drop pod. It's not competative but the variety would probably be fun.

Or if you want something themed rather than a mix, try drop pod army or swift claw biker army or logan wing terminators

Personally, I'd take the balanced approach of something similar to that space wolves blog army or a biker themed army (a la littlbitz).

sexiest_hero wrote:Anybody have or know of Any tactics for SW that don't involve razor/Long fang spam or mass thunderwolves. The units I'd like to use are all four HQs and At least one Lone wolf or what ever you call the single Elite model. Thanks.

Ummmm? Don't... take...thunderwolves...or...long fangs? Considering the flexibility of the codex, this question boggles my mind

Jihallah wrote:

sexiest_hero wrote:Anybody have or know of Any tactics for SW that don't involve razor/Long fang spam or mass thunderwolves. The units I'd like to use are all four HQs and At least one Lone wolf or what ever you call the single Elite model. Thanks.

Ummmm? Don't... take...thunderwolves...or...long fangs? Considering the flexibility of the codex, this question boggles my mind

This.

There's a great variety of builds available in the Codex and not using 'spam' builds doesn't make your original or non-OP, it just means you have some sense of imagination IMHO.

For example:
Vindicators really complement the SW's preferred range (<24"
Blood Claws led by a Wolf Priest in a Land Raider is NASTY
Predators are the dark horse of the Heavy Support section.
Land Speeders can provide some great heavy weapons and speed.
Swiftclaws can work as a harassment unit and even anti-tank.
Grey Hunters are the heart of the Codex and can work in almost all situations.
There's a section on lone wolves in my second tactica in my sig.

As has been said, there's a huge variety of potential in the SW army; particularly if you're not intending to take them to tournaments.

Blood Claws led by a Wolf Priest in a Land Raider is NASTY.

I see I like the sound of this.

What makes Preds the dark horse?

Thanks for the feed back.

sexiest_hero wrote:Blood Claws led by a Wolf Priest in a Land Raider is NASTY.

I see I like the sound of this.

What makes Preds the dark horse?

Thanks for the feed back.

They suck balls God i hate preds. Never do for me, and never do against me.

Jokes aside, if you can't think of a SW list that doesn't involve razor/LF/TWC spam...gtfo the internet, READ the BOOK that is your codex, and go play some games.

The only way to play non-op SW that I can see is to use stuff that the vanilla marines can use as well. Even then the Grey Hunters are pretty good so you would have to keep their wargear to a minimum. But it also depends on your definaition of OP. I play a gunline SW army, it doesn't win much and has 3 razorbacks, two with heavy bolters and one lazorback. otherwise my list is pretty plain. I general run 2 HQ because it can get costly, but I did play around with a 4 Wolf Priest list for a little while. It was somwthin like...

HQ
Ulrik the Slayer x1
Wolf Priest x1
-Saga of the Warrior Born
Wolf Priest x2
-Saga of the Hunter

Elites
10 man Wolf Scout x2
5 man Wolf Guard
-not in termi armour
-in a rhino

Troops
10 man Grey Hunter x2
-in rhinos


I dont remember how much it cost total, and I don't have my codex on me right now, also the two Wolf Priests with saga of the Hunter had different wargear. I can't remeber what I gave each group excatly but I know the Wolf Scouts had meltas
I had the Wolf Priests with Saga of the Hunter outflank with the scouts and then ran up the middle with the grey hunters and the Wolf Guard.

I've seen a nice list at my store, although hell it's weird.

Basically it's something like:
3 squads of grey hunters, max size, on foot, with metla
a cheap captain-like hq
Rune priest with jaws
A few long fangs, I think plasma and missile launchers
a few land speeder squadrons with missile launchers
scouts with a missile launcher
scouts with a missile launcher

So, yeah, foot wolves. I thought this list would keel over and die, and yet he rarely loses. I often see him win and sometimes draw, I think something about his static way of play basically makes his army hard to beat. He sits back, in cover, shooting away with his missile launchers and scouts (who often infiltrate for side shots) and not budging. In the last few turns he'll start turbo-boosting his speeders to contest, but other than that he'll just bunch up with a hell of a lot of power armour and prove nasty to shift.

Read this and have your idea's of wolf guard seem so basic and simple. Try it in a game too (feel free to adjust it to fit your needs), it can be hil-ar-i-ous.

i too am not a big fan of long fangs although have now had to put some in my twc list to add some competative element.

one of my fav lists that would suit your specifics is:
wolf lord on thunder wolf, runic armour, pw
15 fenrisian wolves
canisw wolfborn (saga of the wolfkin is awesome for fenrisian wolves)
15 fenrisian wolves
6 grey hunters, pw, in a drop pod
6 grey hunters, pw, in a drop pod
8 grey hunters, pw, in a drop pod
3 wolf guard termies - each one joins a grey hunters squad inthe drop pods
2 rune priests in termy armour - one in each 6 man drop pod
then use the spare points to add what ever else you like, any armour from landspeeders or preds

the fenrisian wolves are so cool with saga of the wolfkin

sexiest_hero wrote:Anybody have or know of Any tactics for SW that don't involve razor/Long fang spam or mass thunderwolves. The units I'd like to use are all four HQs and At least one Lone wolf or what ever you call the single Elite model. Thanks.

I just run my wolves like they're an assault army, and I thik its close to what you want, its a fairly straight forward list, it isn't great vs. imp guard, but its a lot of fun.

Wolf lord, runic armor, wolf claw, storm shield, saga of the warrior,
Wolf priest
8 wolf guard
2 w/ pp + ccw
2 w/ pw + bp
2 w/ pf + Cbm
2 w/ ccw + bp
in a landraider redeemer

3 units of grey hunters in rhinos, with wolf guard, one unit has a rune priest with them

then a 5 man long fang squad, with mls and a vindicator at 1850. pretty much just aim the wolf lords unit at things and watch them run through it, the redeemer tries to block firing lanes and the grey hunters support the lords unit. the long fangs just try to stun transports, and the vindie is the trouble shooter.

This question is a bit of a mind-boggler.

The codex is strong, because nearly all of the units in it are good, and a few (Grey Hunters, Long Fangs, arguably TWC and Rune Priests, depending on your local metagame) are a bit underpriced.

All you really need to do to build a non-OP list is just not overload on those things. If you don't want to spam, just... don't... spam.

A list with a single squad of LFs, a speeder or two, a vindicator or two a few squads of Grey Hunters in a mix of transports, ANY blood claws (which are actually okay; just not as good as GH), and whatever HQs you like short of multiple Rune Priests, and you're good to go. I think Lone Wolves are great; just with a Power Weapon is nice and cheap. Terminator armor + chainfist is scary- run it right at the enemy's most expensive tank and force him to deal with it. All the HQs are pretty good. Wolf Priest leading Blood Claws in LR is fun and nasty. Wolf Lord or WGBL on TWC is smashy and good.

I played a local 1500pt league just over a year ago using SW models borrowed from a friend who is really a painting fanatic, not particularly competitive, so he didn't even have spam-quantities of any given unit. I was borrowing the stuff so I could practice using SW prior to fielding them in the Adepticon Team Tournament. The list, as I implied, wasn't spammy at all, but was easily competitive, just because the SW stuff is solid. I enjoyed it. Was roughly (just off the top of my head; points/options may be off):

Runepriest
5 wolf guard (see below)
8 GH w/fist, melta, wg w/fist, in Rhino
5 GH w/PW, flamer, WG w/fist, in Razorback
9 GH w/fist, melta, wg w/fist, in Drop Pod
5 wolf scouts w/melta, PW, WG w/fist & meltabombs
Ven dread w/AC, heavy flamer, in Drop Pod
LS typhoon
LS typhoon
6 LF w/5 MLs, WG in terminator armor w/Cyclone

I'd say that simple Grey Hunter spam is quite effective from my albeit limited experiences playing my Blood Wolves. GHs are very underpriced and simple are bad at nothing. They're good at shooting (2 specials and 8 bolt pistols or bolters), they're good at assault (2 CCW plus a rending model with tons of attacks as well as the wolf standard), and they're good at getting assaulted (2 CCW plus >50% chance of charging them back via counterattack). Stuff them in a cheap rhino and roar all 6 forward for baseline marine spam with a hell of a bite.

Try using an Iron Priest on a Thunderwolf with 4 Cyberwolves. Its not massing Thunderwolf Cav, plus it will be fun to see what you can do with him.

Space Wolves, OP?

When?

My DE have no problems handing the furries their pelt-covered asses back to them on a silver platter made out of their wolf lord's power armor.

They are a balanced codex, their long fangs die to a stiff breeze, and they are marines, and as such die like any other marine.

Stop whining.

Brother-Thunder wrote:Space Wolves, OP?

When?

My DE have no problems handing the furries their pelt-covered asses back to them on a silver platter made out of their wolf lord's power armor.

They are a balanced codex, their long fangs die to a stiff breeze, and they are marines, and as such die like any other marine.

Stop whining.

that's what I keep telling my friends/opponents. They die just like any other marine.