GK list for throne of skulls. NEED advice

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**DPBellathrom**

so this will be my first time entering the TOS and I ned to get my list up to scratch. So, heres what I have so far:

HQ

Coteaz 100

Xenos iquisitor 93
Power armour
Psycho troke and rad granades
Ham hand and a F sword

Eiltes

Psyfleman ven dread 195

Vindicar 145

Troops

8 psykers and a crusader in a chimera X2 300

8 deathcult and 2 crusaders in chimera (inquisitor goes here) 175

2 monkeys 5 acalytes with storm bolters in a chimera (coteaz goes here) 160

Heavy support

Dreadknight with greatsword and jump pack 230

Psyfleman dread X2 270

Well, thats my list, feel free to pick as many holes in it as you like lol

**rodgers37**

I have that list coming to 1968 points....which is 468 points over.

**luked**

So it's a grey knight list with no grey knights???

Anyway it's ur choice

What's ur plan. How do you fight and that will dictate ur tactics
Also where do yu expect/want to come

**Lucid**

give that Inq a null rod and have him act as an anti psyker. Makes things like mephiston useless

**DPBellathrom**

good idea lucid

Roger...are you sure, I've just added it up and it says 1668 which is 82pts under :?

My plan is to sit back and shoot whylst my DK and assassin unit goes ford to kick some ass and unless I am very much mistaken then I have 82 pts to burn...any idea people?

I would like to come first lol but hey, its my first time so I'm not too bothered so long as I do well lol

Edit: xenos inquisitors cant have null rods and I need hamhand and psycho grenades to make the unit killer :(

**Khorne Flakes**

Ham Hand

**DPBellathrom**

Good isnt it lol

**DrexMartell**

One minor point to make before I say any thing else (as this is a lengthy reply.) The inquisitorial henchman bands within your army do not take up troop choices, and thus causes it to be invalid, also you can only have one henchman band per inquisitor, you have three listed. If I am mistaken (which I don't think I am) please show me how this is possible. But in either case moving on to my other points.

yeah, this definately looks like an inquisitorial army lol, I just
started playing myself and have found heavily relying on one
side of the codex or the other (grey knights to inquisitorial
forces) seems to force a small lack of flexibility.

On one hand, you don't have the overall survivability the grey
knights offer if you go heavily into the inquisition, but you don't
have a decent model count if relying too heavily on the knights.

My initial 1500 point force consists of the following
(explanations provided to show logic of the the choices)

H.Q. : 510

Draigo: 275 (expensive, but making paladins troop choices is
nothing to scoff at)
Librarian:200
a. Spells: 10
• QuickSilver (will make accompanying paladin squad a PAIN to
deal with)
• Sanctuary (works well against enemies that wish to try and
close distances, forces the enemy to play on your
terms, allowing quicksilver to be used to assure first
striking)
b. Warding staff (35) (the librarian is squishy, he needs good
saves, and a 2+ invuln save in close
combat is ballin')

Troops Choices: 735

7x paladin (accompanying librarian ) (385)
a. Wargear
• 4x hammers (M.W.::: 2, 10) (tankbusting material, initiative
10 thanks to the librarian attached with quicksilver)
• 2x falchions (10) (M.W.::: 1, 5)
• Brotherhood banner (25 points)

Strike Squad x 10 (200)
• Psybolt ammunition (20) (extra strength range is always
useful in weakening enemies before that initial smash)
• Halberd (10) (50) (initiative 6 will mainly assure first striking
in most cases)
• Broken into 2 combat squads of 5 (due to the lack of models
on the table, this is done to increase flexibility, mainly a
choice option based on the mission at hand)

Heavy Support: 265

DreadKnight (130)
• Gatling psilencer (35) (for those annoying hordes that try to
take down MC)
• GreatSword (25) (rerolling pretty much all rolls = win)
• Teleporter (75) (This will allow the Dreadknight to close
distances with any tank / support that is
troubling the footslogging forces of the
knights, ensuring that the enemy yet again, is
deprived of game-changing tactics and forced
to play on the knights rules)

That army should add up to 1500 points, as you can see it lacks
the versatility of having a good number of models on the table,
but can force enemies to play on your terms. An alternative
mix would be to replace draigo with crowe and run it as a
infantry blender with the purifier squads. (this would allow for
more models, and make the purifiers viable for capturing areas)

Alternatively to the dreadknight it would be viable to either put
a land raider in to transport the 7 paladins and librarian around
the board to try and ensure their safety to get into the melee,
or a venerable dreadnought can be made to be a tank-buster
and guide the path of destruction that is to follow while using
the knights.

As you can see I rely too heavily on the knights a little bit, there are many ways to play with this codex, but almost all of them rely to some degree on the sturdiness of the knights.

**DPBellathrom**

coteaz lets me take them as troops

I like you list though, its a shame I'm doing an admech style army as I would like to try 1750 pts of knights

**DrexMartell**

Ohhh, ok I see it now... was looking under his description, not under the H.Q. section of the book >.< lol

should have known to look there as draigo does the same thing for paladins =/

**DPBellathrom**

No problem man lol

**rodgers37**

DPBellathrom wrote:good idea lucid

Roger...are you sure, I've just added it up and it says 1668 which is 82pts under :?

My plan is to sit back and shoot whylst my DK and assassin unit goes ford to kick some ass and unless I am very much mistaken then I have 82 pts to burn...any idea people?

I would like to come first lol but hey, its my first time so I'm not too bothered so long as I do well lol

Edit: xenos inquisitors cant have null rods and I need hamhand and psycho grenades to make the unit killer :(

Even if thats right (i will check again)
You said in the ToS thread in tournament, your going to next ToS didn't you? Its 1500 points. October is 1750 (doesn't mean you can't plan that far ahead)

Ahh i see what i did wrong, i added the 300 points for psyker squads twice, you have already done the adding there (150 points each)

**DPBellathrom**

I thought something was a bit off lol

Nah I'm planning ahead for october, I know its a long way off but I still have most of my army to build and paint. Id like to enter the upcoming one but times a bit of an issue lol

**necronsftw**

DrexMartell wrote:One minor point to make before I say any thing else (as this is a lengthy reply.) The inquisitorial henchman bands within your army do not take up troop choices, and thus causes it to be invalid, also you can only have one henchman band per inquisitor, you have three listed. If I am mistaken (which I don't think I am) please show me how this is possible. But in either case moving on to my other points.

yeah, this definately looks like an inquisitorial army lol, I just
started playing myself and have found heavily relying on one
side of the codex or the other (grey knights to inquisitorial
forces) seems to force a small lack of flexibility.

On one hand, you don't have the overall survivability the grey
knights offer if you go heavily into the inquisition, but you don't
have a decent model count if relying too heavily on the knights.

My initial 1500 point force consists of the following
(explanations provided to show logic of the the choices)

H.Q. : 510

Draigo: 275 (expensive, but making paladins troop choices is
nothing to scoff at)
Librarian:200
a. Spells: 10
• QuickSilver (will make accompanying paladin squad a PAIN to
deal with)
• Sanctuary (works well against enemies that wish to try and
close distances, forces the enemy to play on your
terms, allowing quicksilver to be used to assure first
striking)
b. Warding staff (35) (the librarian is squishy, he needs good
saves, and a 2+ invuln save in close
combat is ballin')

Troops Choices: 735

7x paladin (accompanying librarian ) (385)
a. Wargear
• 4x hammers (M.W.::: 2, 10) (tankbusting material, initiative
10 thanks to the librarian attached with quicksilver)
• 2x falchions (10) (M.W.::: 1, 5)
• Brotherhood banner (25 points)

Strike Squad x 10 (200)
• Psybolt ammunition (20) (extra strength range is always
useful in weakening enemies before that initial smash)
• Halberd (10) (50) (initiative 6 will mainly assure first striking
in most cases)
• Broken into 2 combat squads of 5 (due to the lack of models
on the table, this is done to increase flexibility, mainly a
choice option based on the mission at hand)

Heavy Support: 265

DreadKnight (130)
• Gatling psilencer (35) (for those annoying hordes that try to
take down MC)
• GreatSword (25) (rerolling pretty much all rolls = win)
• Teleporter (75) (This will allow the Dreadknight to close
distances with any tank / support that is
troubling the footslogging forces of the
knights, ensuring that the enemy yet again, is
deprived of game-changing tactics and forced
to play on the knights rules)

That army should add up to 1500 points, as you can see it lacks
the versatility of having a good number of models on the table,
but can force enemies to play on your terms. An alternative
mix would be to replace draigo with crowe and run it as a
infantry blender with the purifier squads. (this would allow for
more models, and make the purifiers viable for capturing areas)

Alternatively to the dreadknight it would be viable to either put
a land raider in to transport the 7 paladins and librarian around
the board to try and ensure their safety to get into the melee,
or a venerable dreadnought can be made to be a tank-buster
and guide the path of destruction that is to follow while using
the knights.

As you can see I rely too heavily on the knights a little bit, there are many ways to play with this codex, but almost all of them rely to some degree on the sturdiness of the knights.

No, NO,

This list is not that good for 1,500pts. It has too many points into one unit. Which at first might look like a hammer unit of death, until some mech guard curbstomps you with plasma

list. So even with two wounds they will still get taken down by much cheaper units. IIRC your daemonhammers are still int1 I am not sure on this but it would seem you would stay int 1. Also at 1,500pts mixing crowe AND draigo is is never a good idea. For the load out of that I would take out the gatling psilencer. Just to note I am not trying to bash your list, as their are some nice elements to the list. I think a better list that should really bring some hurt is as follows.....
Ordos Malleus Terminator Armor, Psycannon 80pts
Ordos Malleus Terminator Armor, Psycannon 80pts
Vindicare Assassin 145pts (this guy can really help when you go up against a game with a leman russ or land raider).
x5 Grey Knight Terminators x3 Halbreds x1 Daemonhammer x1 Psycannon 225pts
x5 GreyKnight Strike Squad x5 Halbreds Razorback w/ Psi Ammo 175pts
x5 GreyKnight Strike Squad x5 Halbreds Razorback w/ Psi Ammo 175pts
x5 GreyKnight Strike Squad x5 Halbreds Razorback w/ Psi Ammo 175pts
x5 GreyKnight Strike Squad x5 Halbreds Razorback w/ Psi Ammo 175pts
Dreadnought x2 Twin-Linked Autocannons 135pts
Dreadnought x2 Twin-Linked Autocannons 135pts
1,500pts

This is a very powerful list. So to begin with we have 2 inquistors in terminator armor and psycannons that is already 8 S7 rending shots, they will go with the terminators to make 12 this will wreck anything shot of a monolith. The Grey Knights as strike squads have the pazorbacks with psi ammo to make very mobile s6 shots, and last but not least the cookie cutter dreadnoughts they are just so good, why would you not have them

Just my 2 cents

**DPBellathrom**

nice, now fix my list

**necronsftw**

ahah sorry i just get carried away

**DPBellathrom**

thinking about dropping the accolyres and spending the remaining pts on 2 more monkeys and 3 plasma cannon servys. Thoughts?

**DPBellathrom**

Anyone......