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I've really been wondering what the hell has been going on with the C'tan God The Outsider. I've seen some fluff saying he's (or is it they since he's a collection of multiple C'tan minds in one body?) in a parallel universe building his own massive army to bring back in order to wreak vengeance upon The Deceiver and wipe out life while he's/they're at it. An I've seen fluff saying he led the Tyranids to our galaxy. Anyone have anymore insight or fluff?

From what I understand The Outsider om nomed an Eldar God, went crazy and was forced out of the Galaxy. And that he didn't so much lead the 'Nids here as they diverted around him.

It is rumored that the dyson sphere on the inside of the back cover of the current dex has something to do with him. AFAIK there is nothing to substantiate that, and most likely is just rumor mongering for the sake of trying to find a purpose for the sphere. Really there is almost no hard information on him, and much of the information that does exist can possibly be attributed to other C'tan.

Zarake wrote:From what I understand The Outsider om nomed an Eldar God, went crazy and was forced out of the Galaxy. And that he didn't so much lead the 'Nids here as they diverted around him.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Outsider

He om nonmed another C'tan - beeing tricked by an Eldar. And after that, he deside that they where yummy - and decide to eat them all. But the one he ate was still alive inside him and he went a little .... you get it...

Anyways, everyone who get's near him gone insane, he is god of insane - Warhammer 40k just keep surprising me every day

I understand he began eating other C'tan when the Deceiver proclaimed that fellow C'tan were the best of all meals, and for some reason, the other C'tan he ate remained alive when he ate them.

In the necron codex there is a story about a Tech Priest whom actually was in the Dyson Sphere. You should check it out, pretty awesome and it hints as to the Mechanicum being connected to the C'tan.

He went into the Noctis Labyrinth on mars, not the Dyson sphere

That connection is with the void dragon, not the outsider

the c'tan are energy, when the outsider absorbed there energy (not "ate") there personalities stayed (to a cetain extent) this drove it insane.

And the only engineer to survive a Dyson sphere.... Scotty

Formosa wrote:And the only engineer to survive a Dyson sphere.... Scotty

Heh...although there is nothing inheirently dangerous about a Dyson sphere just based on the virtue of it being a Dyson sphere, so that's not really saying much

The story was that vaul (eldar god) created the Dyson Sphere as a blank universe with no life in it, just space and it was used to capture the outsider because the blackstone fortress could not get close enough with out going insane.

If you look on the back page you see the Dyson Sphere and you see a hive fleet spliting away because of it, This hints to the fact that the outsider can not be recovered because if you get close enough to it you will go insane this includes C'tan and other creatures thought to fearless.

With him being tricked by the "jackel god" can be translated in two ways, One is the"Jackel god" is the deceiver and tricks his brothers in to eating Other C'tan and one could not stop eating and was thought to either of eaten one to many C'tan , Second is that the "jackel god" was the Harlequin god and tricked the outsider in to eating his brothers and he ate a eldar god and went nuts.

The outsider has the least infomation on all four of the "major" C'tan left in the universe but with the current infomation i can not see him being released fromthe Dyson sphere anytime soon.

The Outsider is well and truly trapped.

he will never be freed from his imprisonment.



just as the Chaos Gods shall too be trapped one day, in the inescapable confines of a Tesseract labyrinth. never again to prey upon the mortal realms.

I looked up Dyson Sphere for the hell of it and found out that it is a hypothetical megastructure designed to contain the energy of a star in order to sustain it for a prolonged period of time to syphon energy off of it. If the Outsider is in the Dyson Sphere, it would make sense that he is still sleeping while munching away at the star's energy. Meaning he wouldn't be trapped at all.

Also after further review and research, Adept Corteswain and his team met the Outsider (Even names him as the one who dwells beyond), he was questioned due to random fits of madness occurring on Mars amongst mercenaries who were probably overwhelmed mentally by the Void Dragon, which the Adeptus Mechanicus somehow linked to Adept Corteswain's madness. Adept Corteswain was nowhere near Mars when his team was abducted and he awoke on what is described to be the Dyson Sphere watching his teammates being fed to the Outsider. Adept Corteswain must have realized that the Outsider and the Void Dragon aka the Machine God must have been similar though he thought they were perhaps the same.

King Pariah if you look at the back of the necron codex the dyson sphere is not orbiting a star and is not a system of orbiting solar power satellites that is completely encompass a star and capture most or all of its energy output.

The logical dyson shpere theory crated by Freeman Dyson is not a shpere but the one located in the back of the necon codex is one, thus the Dyson sphere in the necron codex has no relation to Freeman Dyson's theory.

Actually, it could easily be the shell variant of Dyson's sphere., aka Dyson Shell

Corteswain described being transported by "Emissaries of the One who Dwells Beyond" to a land with "a horizon that stretched up and round to enclose a bloated red sun, that seemed so close." From this, it seems to more or less confirm that the Outsider is in a Dyson Shell, or at least suggest it heavily.

There's some kind of Eldar Prophecy that talks about his return and the galaxy weeping as well.

Harriticus wrote:There's some kind of Eldar Prophecy that talks about his return and the galaxy weeping as well.

So the Eldar prothecy saw Matt ward would be writing it... and the galaxy weeped

I do believe that he will be back... nothing lasts forever.

King Pariah wrote:I looked up Dyson Sphere for the hell of it and found out that it is a hypothetical megastructure designed to contain the energy of a star in order to sustain it for a prolonged period of time to syphon energy off of it. If the Outsider is in the Dyson Sphere, it would make sense that he is still sleeping while munching away at the star's energy. Meaning he wouldn't be trapped at all.

Also after further review and research, Adept Corteswain and his team met the Outsider (Even names him as the one who dwells beyond), he was questioned due to random fits of madness occurring on Mars amongst mercenaries who were probably overwhelmed mentally by the Void Dragon, which the Adeptus Mechanicus somehow linked to Adept Corteswain's madness. Adept Corteswain was nowhere near Mars when his team was abducted and he awoke on what is described to be the Dyson Sphere watching his teammates being fed to the Outsider. Adept Corteswain must have realized that the Outsider and the Void Dragon aka the Machine God must have been similar though he thought they were perhaps the same.

Many thanks for reading what I was refering to, rather then just blurting out " He went to the noternus labyernth" or " They're connected to the void dragon" which is what the freggin codex hinted at.

Holy_doctrine wrote:

King Pariah wrote:I looked up Dyson Sphere for the hell of it and found out that it is a hypothetical megastructure designed to contain the energy of a star in order to sustain it for a prolonged period of time to syphon energy off of it. If the Outsider is in the Dyson Sphere, it would make sense that he is still sleeping while munching away at the star's energy. Meaning he wouldn't be trapped at all.

Also after further review and research, Adept Corteswain and his team met the Outsider (Even names him as the one who dwells beyond), he was questioned due to random fits of madness occurring on Mars amongst mercenaries who were probably overwhelmed mentally by the Void Dragon, which the Adeptus Mechanicus somehow linked to Adept Corteswain's madness. Adept Corteswain was nowhere near Mars when his team was abducted and he awoke on what is described to be the Dyson Sphere watching his teammates being fed to the Outsider. Adept Corteswain must have realized that the Outsider and the Void Dragon aka the Machine God must have been similar though he thought they were perhaps the same.

Many thanks for reading what I was refering to, rather then just blurting out " He went to the noternus labyernth" or " They're connected to the void dragon" which is what the freggin codex hinted at.

Hey, No problem.

Either way this is the 40k universe and by the looks of it the void dragon will not be released because if they do then their goes half of GW sales because the entire imperial story line would have to be re-worked. The same would go for the outsider because if he went anywhere near terra then the enitre planet will go insane and theirs a easy win for the C'tan, both of these gods are OP and could be the strongest thing in 40k real space.

The outsider might come back but vaul had abilitys and know how far beyond humans so King Pariah you have to understand that the dyson shell could not be a dyson shell at all but a adepts throughts of what it might be. if vaul could create weapons to destroy the C'tan he would create something to hold one for a extended ot infinate period of time . the fact that he would not be "munching" on a star since the C'tan would consume it in a matter of months and it has been a few million years since his intrapment he would of been free to leave after the sun was gone. Finaly a dyson shell or sphere is a system of orbiting solar power satellites not a solid object, the photo clearly shows that the sphere is infact a solid object not a system of orbiting satellites and if it was a dyson sphere he could walk right out away from the satellites.

While he might return by some means, his escape in the close future is a slim chance.

Harriticus wrote:There's some kind of Eldar Prophecy that talks about his return and the galaxy weeping as well.

That actually refers to a forge-moon or forge worlds. Heavily suggesting that there is one C'tan underneath the Noctis mts. There also is another passage which has abaddon laughing his rear end off when he sees a sargophagus with power feeds leading to it underneath the same area. Both are in the Necron Codex.

thermatic wrote:Either way this is the 40k universe and by the looks of it the void dragon will not be released because if they do then their goes half of GW sales because the entire imperial story line would have to be re-worked. The same would go for the outsider because if he went anywhere near terra then the enitre planet will go insane and theirs a easy win for the C'tan, both of these gods are OP and could be the strongest thing in 40k real space.

The outsider might come back but vaul had abilitys and know how far beyond humans so King Pariah you have to understand that the dyson shell could not be a dyson shell at all but a adepts throughts of what it might be. if vaul could create weapons to destroy the C'tan he would create something to hold one for a extended ot infinate period of time . the fact that he would not be "munching" on a star since the C'tan would consume it in a matter of months and it has been a few million years since his intrapment he would of been free to leave after the sun was gone. Finaly a dyson shell or sphere is a system of orbiting solar power satellites not a solid object, the photo clearly shows that the sphere is infact a solid object not a system of orbiting satellites and if it was a dyson sphere he could walk right out away from the satellites.

While he might return by some means, his escape in the close future is a slim chance.

A dyson shell actually is the solid version of the dyson sphere, although the most improbable version...I agree with everything else in the post though.

thermatic wrote:Either way this is the 40k universe and by the looks of it the void dragon will not be released because if they do then their goes half of GW sales because the entire imperial story line would have to be re-worked. The same would go for the outsider because if he went anywhere near terra then the enitre planet will go insane and theirs a easy win for the C'tan, both of these gods are OP and could be the strongest thing in 40k real space.

The outsider might come back but vaul had abilitys and know how far beyond humans so King Pariah you have to understand that the dyson shell could not be a dyson shell at all but a adepts throughts of what it might be. if vaul could create weapons to destroy the C'tan he would create something to hold one for a extended ot infinate period of time . the fact that he would not be "munching" on a star since the C'tan would consume it in a matter of months and it has been a few million years since his intrapment he would of been free to leave after the sun was gone. Finaly a dyson shell or sphere is a system of orbiting solar power satellites not a solid object, the photo clearly shows that the sphere is infact a solid object not a system of orbiting satellites and if it was a dyson sphere he could walk right out away from the satellites.

While he might return by some means, his escape in the close future is a slim chance.

It definitely wouldn't take months, in the Necron codex, it's clearly pointed out that the star that afflicted the Necrontyr with short lives had the whole time been "munched" on by the Nightbringer, that had to be over the course of several hundred million years at the least.

The Harlequins tell of a dark night that approaches, where the Outsider will break his bindings and plague the Galaxy once more. Also, Farseer Maechu of Ulthwé foretold a time when the C'Tan have taken back their Empire, and describe the Outsider breaking his preys' minds. Fun.

Scarey Nerd wrote:The Harlequins tell of a dark night that approaches, where the Outsider will break his bindings and plague the Galaxy once more. Also, Farseer Maechu of Ulthwé foretold a time when the C'Tan have taken back their Empire, and describe the Outsider breaking his preys' minds. Fun.

Which goes to show what kind of menace the C'Tan/Necrons truly represent. The Eldar honestly believe that with enough time and resources they can defeat Chaos out of existence. But they don't think they can even put up a fight against the C'Tan/Necrons.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:The Harlequins tell of a dark night that approaches, where the Outsider will break his bindings and plague the Galaxy once more. Also, Farseer Maechu of Ulthwé foretold a time when the C'Tan have taken back their Empire, and describe the Outsider breaking his preys' minds. Fun.

Which goes to show what kind of menace the C'Tan/Necrons truly represent. The Eldar honestly believe that with enough time and resources they can defeat Chaos out of existence. But they don't think they can even put up a fight against the C'Tan/Necrons.

On the contrary, Farseer Maechu said that if all the other races put aside their differences and combined to fight the Necrons, they could destroy them. But how likely is that?

Scarey Nerd wrote:
On the contrary, Farseer Maechu said that if all the other races put aside their differences and combined to fight the Necrons, they could destroy them. But how likely is that?

Which is why they consider annihilating Chaos a more likely event.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Scarey Nerd wrote:
On the contrary, Farseer Maechu said that if all the other races put aside their differences and combined to fight the Necrons, they could destroy them. But how likely is that?

Which is why they consider annihilating Chaos a more likely event.

Ahh, I see what you meant ^^