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2500 Pts

Fast Attack: Vyper Squadron ( 160 pts)

2x Vyper, Starcannon, Shuriken Cannon

Fast Attack: Vyper Squadron ( 160 pts)

2x Vyper, Starcannon, Shuriken Cannon


Fast Attack: Vyper Squadron (150 pts)

2x Vyper, Bright Lance

Troops: Guardian Jetbike Squadron ( 202 pts)
6 Guardian Jetbike Squadron, Shuriken Cannon x2
Warlock, Embolden Eldar Jetbike

Troops: Guardian Jetbike Squadron ( 205 pts)
6 Guardian Jetbike Squadron, Shuriken Cannon x2
Warlock, Embolden Eldar Jetbike Singing Spear

Heavy Support: Fire Prism ( 160 pts)
1 Fire Prism, Holo-Field Shuriken Cannon

HQ: Farseer (158 pts)
1 Farseer, Spirit Stones Eldar Jetbike Fortune , Mind War , Singing Spear

5 Jetlocks

1 Warlock, Embolden
1 Warlock, Enhance
3x Warlock, w/ Destructor

HQ: Eldrad Ulthran ( 210 pts)
Eldrad Ulthran

Troops: Dire Avengers ( 60 pts)
5 Dire Avengers

Troops: Dire Avengers ( 60 pts)
5 Dire Avengers

Heavy Support: Falcon ( 170 pts)
Falcon, 170 Holo-Field Missile Launcher

Heavy Support: Falcon ( 170 pts)
Falcon, 170 Holo-Field Missile Launcher

Elite: Fire Dragons ( 180 pts)
5 Fire Dragons
1 Wave Serpent Shuriken Cannons

Elite: Fire Dragons ( 180 pts)
5 Fire Dragons
1 Wave Serpent Shuriken Cannons


So I have no plans on taking the whole tourny but i would like to annoy/ aggrivate maybe even piss off as many spess mehrines , space puppies and twilight in space players.
I feel this is a little different from what most Eldar players spam , and I really think that will give me a slight advantage in some of my games .
That being said please commit accordingly and all CC appreciated!

Kinda hard to read, but I don't think you will be overly impressed with your army against the armies you plan on facing.

Unless things change drastically, Ard Boyz tourneys are about getting the maximum amount of points per game; just winning won't cut it. Folks understand this and build armies that are designed to table an opponent. The list you've presented just does not have the damage output or resiliency in a Ard Boyz setting.

For example, you're spending 160 points for a unit that puts out 10 S6 shots in an armor 10 open topped squadron that is also BS3 (I won't count a Starcannon's AP2 as cover is very prevalent in 5th edition). Or, for 120 points, you could take a squadron that is armor 10, not open topped and puts out 16 S6 shots that can also Scout or Outflank (2 Warwalkers w/ 4 Scatterlasers).

You are spending 230 points per Falcon (DAVU) that will likely spend most of the game Shaken or Stunned (no Spirit Stones). That's another 460 points that isn't doing a whole lot.

Basically, you are spending a lot of points on units where other armies are getting much more efficient units for those points spent.

If you don't get first turn, you are typically in big trouble as a lot of the typical Ard Boyz armies will have a lot more range shooting than you can handle. If you reserve your army, it is a risky prospect as you have no Autarch to manipulate the reserve rolls.

All in all, if you are going to have fun regardless of win/loss, go for it. If you believe by adding 6 Vypers to a fairly typical Eldar army will overcome more points efficient Space Marine armies (SW and BA specifically), I think you will be very much disappointed.

I'm not impressed with the vypers. Add war walkers insted, max the dire avenger squads and put them in wave serpents. They are dead on their own.

I see where you guys are getting at, but fluff-wise this is where I want to be.
As for the warwalkers that takes up a heavy slot you prob didn't notice all my slots are filled up.
It's all about the snergy not being a leaf blower list. The vypers have their place they go with my jetbiks and get cover saves behind them I turbo in front so everybody has 3+ 4+. And I agree I do need an autarch Its a work in progress..
Sure I can rack up all the Fire dragons , war walkers and full squads of dire avengers but other things can take the place of those units. I going to try to fully captilize on my speed and getting cover saves.. I appreciate the feedback and I will work on my list a bit more .

A few things just to help you optimize.

I agree with Sarigar that this list isn't really 'ard boys worthy. You need to do some focusing to really get up to that level

first- have you seen your Vyper loadouts?
Not good. these things are bs3, av10 open topped. You are putting Starcannons and Bright Lances onto them!? Vypers need to be kept cheap, and harass things with their speed. The scatter laser is the best weapon option for them, as the high volume of shots helps offset their low ballistic skill, and the widespread use of cover mitigates the usefulness of starcannons. Save your lances for twin linked platforms and wraithlords. end of story

A single night spinner is better than a single fire prism. You really should swap the turrets around if you are using the new kit.

That council also needs to be bigger. 5 duders isn't nearly enough for a 2500 point list. You should be running at least 7 Warlocks- possibly even 10 at this level. Just plain vanilla bikers should be fine for filler though. Not everybody needs to take a power, and really you want bodies in that squad for multi charges and damage soaking.

over all its not a bad list, and for the most part is pretty streamlined, but there are certainly some areas that need to be cleaned up.

I have only proxyied a night spinner once before ,Im not sure how well it performs since it was taken out right away.
As for the brightlances on the vypers on the off chance I do get two 4+
on both shots thats two chances of taking down sumthing for the same price it costs for being twin linked.

The vypers stand a better chance of getting cover saves because they are about 1/2 the size of a wave serpant.
With eldrad i can potentially reroll both shots with that vyper squad.

The starcannons on the other two vypers are for when i crack open those transports and hopefully take out 2 mehreens
with each squad or 3 with shuri cans depending on how much ive moved.

I mean everyone says this unit is bad this unit is overpriced... I mean If I can take out a vechicle or two
with the brightlance squad they have made their points back.
What other fast attack am I gonna use competivly ? With Ricky Bobby in mind " I want go fast ! " Is the idea behind this build..
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Well the reasoning behind scatter lasers on your Vypers is because they are better for mulching transports (av10-11) than bright lances, and better at killing marines who are in cover (read crater from Rhino explosion or mostly obscured because they are hiding behind the Rhino that you blew up.

The scatter laser is an amazingly versatile gun for 15 points.

As for what other fast attack?

Many people will tell you that Eldar fast attack is very sub par, and you'd be better off filling your extra points with more jetbikes, and DAVU wave serpents- for added scoring tl weapons, and av12 hulls.

The other option of course are Warp Spiders. Many people say that they are over priced, but they have good synergy with Guardian Jetbikes and Seer Councils. they are fast- jump infantry + jsj, so they can keep up, and they have 3+ saves. I'm also a big fan of their death spinners.

The other obvious choice instead of vypers is increasing the size of your counicl. You need more bodies for them to have an impact in 2500 points.

Well I might go ahead and put up another list with two councils..


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2500 Pts - Eldar Roster

Total Roster Cost: 2496

173 pts
Farseer, Runes of Warding SS Jetbike Fortune Mind War Spear

158pts
Farseer, SS, Jetbike ,Fortune ,Guide Spear

580 pts
2x 6 jetlocks embolden, enhance


280 pts
2x 2 Vyper squad w/ Scatter Laser Shuriken Cannon

150 pts
2 Vyper,squad 2x Bright Lance


615 pts
3x 6 jetbike Shuriken Cannon x2
1x spearlock Embolden


5 Dire Avengers, 60

180 pts
Falcon Holo-Field ss eml


300 pts
2x Fire Prism Holo-Field

Staying fluffy and taking some advice this is the list I might run for ard boyz.

Plently anti tank, plently anti infantry, no autarch for Reserve rolls will def hurt , but with both councils on the board
I think I can def scare the pants off of some people.

Im also thinking about combining the council for a mega council at 12-11 guys .( Dont know if that is any good or not, could free up enough points for an autarch though.) The bright lance squad is going with the guideseer council and the other two vypers are going with two jetbike squads for back up.

I would drop mindwar from the first farseer and take doom.

Okay so Leafblower it is


how about this list?


Jetseer w/ RoW , SS, spear , guide and fortune 173

5x Jetlocks one spear, enhance , embolden 248

Jetseer w/ SS,spear doom and fortune 163

5x Jetlocks enhance ,embolden , and destructor x3 275


Dire avengers x10 exarch , dual cats, bladestorm 277
Wave serpant, scatter lasers SS

Dire avengers x9 exarch , dual cats, bladestorm 265
Wave serpant, scatter lasers SS

Dire avengers x5 60

Dire avengers x5 60

Fire dragons x5
Wave serpant, shuri can , SS 190

Fire dragons x5
Wave serpant, shuri can , SS 190

Fire dragons x5
Wave serpant, shuri can , SS 190

Falcon w/ eml , shuri can, SS, Holo fields , star engines 205

Falcon w/scatterlasers , shuri can, SS, Holo fields , star engines 200

I thought that "leafblower" regarded a specific IG list that dominated 'Ard Boyz a while back..?
He won each game within the first hour if I remember correctly.
Medusa + Basilisk + Hydra n all the other goodies. He got first turn every game. Boom.
Soooo.. I don't think this is leafblower at all. Not enough dakka, and eldar lack higher str weapons. Just sayin'

You may be looking for "cookie cutter"? Even so, I don't entirely think so.. But that's a subjective opinion

A few words on your list. If this is for 'Ard Boyz I'd really think about what everyone else has already said in the thread, try cutting points. An example: if you drop all SS (which I personally don't like in the first place, too situational) you save 70 pts. Just an idea.

I think you may have too few bodies. Try and get more grav tanks, redundancy is what wins for Eldar I've noticed.
At the FLGS weekly league tournaments I run my only army, Eldar. At 1850 I usually run 6 Wave Serpents a Night Spinner and 6 War Walkers. Many more AV targets than your army already, for 650 less pts. It gives people a hard time, I've cut a large amount of the fat. My FLGS is very competitive though, as the league is for store credit. The and the more coveted bragging rights of the winner, I'm not entirely sure what I've got myself into (just started playing 40k a few months back).

Jetseer+Jetlocks: I haven't actually ran any of these. If anythings sitting on a jetbike it's one crazy warlock leading some guardians around, for 129 pts a very durable versatile unit. I don't think two formations is much better than one, they're just screaming to pull all AI fire. T4 looks nice, but I prefer the nice cozy protected interior of a Wave Serpent. Jetseer deathstars can't even attack power armor reliably IMHO. They do dice the hell out of Orks. Guess all I can say is be careful, YMMV.

Fire Dragons: I love Fire Dragons, I wish I could fit in more, damn FOC. I run 3 dragon-wagons until about as low as 1500 pts, then I only run two. Good choice.

Dire Avengers: Love 'em. Might suggest max squads with exarchs only for best Bladestorm. Eldar is really min/max.

Falcons: Drop star engines, clever positioning and 24" flat out should be enough to contest if need be. I personally think Falcons are direly overcosted for what they can do in 40k. They can only move 6" and shoot all their guns, leaving them behind the rest of the 12" wing (18" on the jetbikes). They also pay a lot, 60 pts, to make them scoring. That's all it does to, as the contents will likely die in the explosion or be too far away for their puny 18" guns to do anything when the Falcon goes boom. It's just too easy to get glances and pens against AV 12 front and sides. And Guard gets Chimeras for less than half the base price of a Falcon, ouch. Additionally, unless the Falcons get guide constantly you're going to be disappointed at BS 3, netting 1.5 hits out of 3 shots sucks.

The seer councils are merely to take out tanks and soak up as much heavy fire as possible .
Depending on who I am running against I could leave the guide seer group next to a falcon to guide it .

I believe by spreadin out 2" between my jetlocks I could feasibly multi assault three to four vehicles per group depending on how they are positioned and get 3-6 attacks to each vechicle depending what warlocks are where.
As I usually see most people bunch up their vehicles all together a one point or another.
Its just an idea . Honestly Ive only ever played in one doubles tourny and Have played only friendly games besides that.

I've never had the chance to use a jetseer squad.. let alone two! Don't let me talk you down too much. I've heard they can be nothing short of devastating if used right. It'd definitely throw some people for a loop, and swarming vehicles with the most reliable S9 Eldar have isn't a terrible idea in the least

Just my gaming perspective. I love wave serpents, so hard to kill most of the time. So I run a lot. Do what you do best.

Thanks I def think having more skimmers is the way to go usually !

Thats why i liked having vypers in the list .
For a lil less than a falcon two vypers typically are pretty surviable and
thats two vechicles they will have to take down for a kill point

They all have bs3 so its a matter of
the right gun and and placement and sometimes even guide.

Jetlocks are pretty nice the can def hold their own for a good while
( unless your opponent has a hood) They typically wreck/imb/shake/stun two to three vechicles at a time for me.
Its pretty nice