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So a friend of mine was gonna start up 40k as tyranids and so another one of my friends suggested that him and myself play different armies so I was looking at the dark angels and I made this list on army builder (granted I have NEVER even looked at the space marine army not even on army builder) the list is as follows

HQ - Interrorgator-Chaplain in Terminator Armor (combi-flamer) 150pts (fixed that my army builder said 250 for a second)
Elites - Deathwing Terminator Squad (5 counting sarge) Pair of lightning Claws 215pts
Dreadnought (heavy flamer, Drop pod) 180pts
Dreadnought (heavy flamer, Drop pod) 180pts
Troops - Tactical Squad 4 marines 1 sarge (flamer, meltabombs, drop pod) x6 - 900pts
Heavy - Land Raider 250pts
Land Raider 250pts
Land Raider Crusader 250pts

Sums up to 2475 pts seems rather fun and somewhat competitive to me, what does everyone think? oh and the Chaplain goes with the Deathwing Terminators and they go into the land raider crusader. Pretty much the plan is drop pod in and cripple the enemies armor support (or burn them all if nids or orks, guardsmen included) and everyone has some sort of anti vehicle equipment.

This list is not legal you only have 1 troop.

dakotam1 wrote:This list is not legal you only have 1 troop.

Yes its legal I put the x6 to represent 6 sqauds hence the 900 point cost sorry about the confusion

Hmm, your Interrogator chaplain is 100 points over his actual cost. Does that give you 125 points left?

I like this list. Personally I would have given the deathwing a mix of TH and LC, but that's another debate.

However, I think it is a bit of waste to have empty LRs, but I can't think of any good replacement without really changing your army list.

Lord Rogukiel wrote:Hmm, your Interrogator chaplain is 100 points over his actual cost. Does that give you 125 points left?

I like this list. Personally I would have given the deathwing a mix of TH and LC, but that's another debate.

However, I think it is a bit of waste to have empty LRs, but I can't think of any good replacement without really changing your army list.

Really he is? I better check my army builder (fixed)

I was looking at that but I thought being able to dish out more attacks at I4 sounded better and the way I see it things would go down in flames for those termies or go well.

I do think it is somewhat of a waste too, but I figure three landraiders is pretty scary to see on the board somtimes along with everyone drop poding in so its more of a psychological effect besides Id rather the enemy go for the raiders than my infantry or dreads, not to mention if they survive I can plant them on objectives to contest oh and I like 2 twinlinked lascannons great for AV and killing some heavy infantry if there is nothing left to blow up

If the goal is anti-armor a triple las predator does a better job in damage output, statistically, though it won't have the mobility or as high armor. Though you have 100 points to do something else with if you so choose. Three Raiders is pretty scary though. Seconding adding a th/ss or two into the termies, but as said there isn't really a right answer for that.

Definitely a nice tactic, I might have to try it sometime.

Honestly, if you're not going to go deathwing/ravenwing DA is way to outdated to be competitive. It's codex SM without as much upgrades and higher point cost.

You don't even get drop pod assault in the DA codex. If you run terminators though, you can always Deathwing assault.

Cnevets wrote:Honestly, if you're not going to go deathwing/ravenwing DA is way to outdated to be competitive. It's codex SM without as much upgrades and higher point cost.

You don't even get drop pod assault in the DA codex. If you run terminators though, you can always Deathwing assault.

Well dark angels is really the only type of space marine that appeals to me (honestly its the cloaks) well hey the drop pod is still open topped so I can still assault out of it and that is all I care about. Meh outdated dosent mean non competitive I mean the list I made seems fairly decent. I could deathwing assault but I dont really like termies mine are seriously just there to take the shots and die.

@ Luco yeah I know triple las preds are pretty sweet but hey land raiders do the job just fine not to mention podded dreads and all my marines have melta bombs and the raiders can take a beating. As for the termies ill make them all Th/SS seeing how they are free and my termies are mostly there to die (I value my tacs and dreads much more) and thankyou

ShadowZetki wrote:

Cnevets wrote:Honestly, if you're not going to go deathwing/ravenwing DA is way to outdated to be competitive. It's codex SM without as much upgrades and higher point cost.

You don't even get drop pod assault in the DA codex. If you run terminators though, you can always Deathwing assault.

Well dark angels is really the only type of space marine that appeals to me (honestly its the cloaks) well hey the drop pod is still open topped so I can still assault out of it and that is all I care about. Meh outdated dosent mean non competitive I mean the list I made seems fairly decent. I could deathwing assault but I dont really like termies mine are seriously just there to take the shots and die.

@ Luco yeah I know triple las preds are pretty sweet but hey land raiders do the job just fine not to mention podded dreads and all my marines have melta bombs and the raiders can take a beating. As for the termies ill make them all Th/SS seeing how they are free and my termies are mostly there to die (I value my tacs and dreads much more) and thankyou

Actually you can't assault out of it because you arrive via Deep Strike, doesn't matter if it's open topped. 5 man marine squads are not scary in close combat either. You seriously lack horde control in your list. I use to play DA using SM codex rules, there's nothing saying you can't do that. I did fairly good with that setup. Then the DA FAQ came out this year and I went back to DA codex to run a mass amount of TH/SS terminators. At 2500 points though, you don't really bring enough of anything and most decent list would crush that list, mostly KP wise because you give them so much easy targets.

so I cant assault out of the drop pod? Remind me to smack my friend. Well anyway I do have decent horde control (flamer) and i mean it isnt the greatest thing in the world but it gets the job done well enough for me. As for not charging out of a pod well good thing I can give my dreads multimeltas for free. Well still like I said Im not too big on termies they are fun but for me mostly they are just there to die so everyone else can get their job done. and a tac squad isnt scary in close combat periond IMO 5 man 10 man it dosent matter thing is flamers and meltabombs is nice enough and I can always pod in to contest or take an objective. As far as KP goes well that is debateable if I pod in a really bad spot then im either an idiot or very unlucky should it scatter. Numbers are not everything

ShadowZetki wrote:so I cant assault out of the drop pod? Remind me to smack my friend. Well anyway I do have decent horde control (flamer) and i mean it isnt the greatest thing in the world but it gets the job done well enough for me. As for not charging out of a pod well good thing I can give my dreads multimeltas for free. Well still like I said Im not too big on termies they are fun but for me mostly they are just there to die so everyone else can get their job done. and a tac squad isnt scary in close combat periond IMO 5 man 10 man it dosent matter thing is flamers and meltabombs is nice enough and I can always pod in to contest or take an objective. As far as KP goes well that is debateable if I pod in a really bad spot then im either an idiot or very unlucky should it scatter. Numbers are not everything

Dude 1 guy with meltabomb is hardly enough, hitting vehicles at cruising speed on a 4 with a single attack, that's only a 50% chance, if you miss, you're 5 man squad will get hosed indefinitely. STR 4 flamers hardly do too much. You don't have enough anti-armor in this army. With the way most armies are ran nowadays, you would have a hard time killing their mech's with this list. 3 Land Raiders is a cool idea but honestly it's a 750+ point sinker, a single well placed melta can take 1 of them out easily. Land Raiders should never be empty anyways. The biggest problem I see is you have nothing in this list that's very hard hitting. The hardest hitting thing is your 2 dreadnoughts which are suicide units in drop pods, and your paying 15 points more per drop pod than SM. BTW I meant its very easy to get KPs from you cause you use so many drop pods, each drop pod is a KP. In order to contest an objective you need something with survivability to hold it down, a drop pod is a AV12, open topped, immobilized vehicle, doesn't sound like it's going to be too much of a problem to kill. I'm not telling you to not play DA, I'm suggesting you to play DA using SM codex. The way you want to run your army is better suited for that codex since it will give you more. If you insist on playing DA, you're going to have to bring a lot more to the table.

Tactical Marines in Drop Pods without Meltaguns?
Two empty Land Raiders?
Deathwing without Missiles?
Even number of Drop Pods?

Oh dear.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news Shadow, but this isn't competitive. Not even close.

How do you plan on beating mech with this list? You have 2 Multi-Meltas and 6 Lascannons. Most IG lists at this level can take upwards of 20 tanks, all of which are showing you their AV12 side. How many Chimeras can you take down before their Meltavets get to your Raiders? Answer: Not enough.

Before you mention Meltabombs on your sargeants; nobody is going to allow those bombs to hit on less than a 6. That's one hit per six squads, giving you less than 1/3 chance of destroying another tank. Tell me, is that worth 900 points and 12 kill points?

Everyone else is right, Space Marines can do this list far better for less points. You can still use your Dark Angels models, just use the C:SM ruleset. My recommendations would be to run a Pedro Kantor list with plenty of Sternguard.