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Hey, I am a quite new to the WH40k Hobby but for my first Army I want to create a List that could funktion. It dont has to be for a tournament but i dont want to get wiped out in normal games, so could you look at my List and say me whats good and whats not?

2 HQ: 420 Pts. 21.0%
3 Elites: 610 Pts. 30.5%
2 Troops: 300 Pts. 15.0%
0 Fast Attack:
3 Heavy Support: 670 Pts. 33.5%

*************** 2 HQ ***************

Grey Knight Gand Master
- Incinerator
- Nemesis force Sword
- 3 x Servo-Skulls
- Blind grenades
- Psychotroke grenade
- Rad grenade
- - - > 230 Points

Scriptor
- Storm bolter
- Nemesis force Sword
- 3 x Servo-Skulls
- Quicksilver
- Might of Titan
- Sanctuary
- The Shrouding
- Warp Rift
- - - > 190 Points


*************** 3 Elites ***************

Venerable Dreadnought
- Twin-linked autocannon
- Twin-linked autocannon
- Psybolt ammunition
- - - > 195 Points

Venerable Dreadnought
- Twin-linked autocannon
- Twin-linked autocannon
- Psybolt ammunition
- - - > 195 Points

Paladin-Squad
4 Paladins
- 4 x Nemesis force Swords
- 4 x Storm bolters
- - - > 220 Points


*************** 2 Troops ***************

Grey Knight Strike Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 3 x Nemesis force Swords
- 3 x Storm bolters
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Upgrade to Justicar
- Nemesis force Sword
- Storm bolter
+ - Rhino
- - - > 150 Points

Grey Knight Strike Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 3 x Nemesis force Swords
- 3 x Storm bolters
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Upgrade to Justicar
- Nemesis force Sword
- Storm bolter
+ - Rhino
- - - > 150 Points


*************** 3 Heavy Support ***************

Nemesis-Ritter
- 2 x Nemesis Doomfists
- Personal teleporter
- - - > 205 Points

Nemesis-Ritter
- 2 x Nemesis Doomfists
- Personal teleporter
- - - > 205 Points

Land Raider Redeemer
- Twin-linked assault cannon
- Psibolt ammunition
- Multi-melta
- - - > 260 Points


Grey Knights : 2000
   
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Nobody?
   
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Kinebrach-Knobbling Xeno Interrogator






In Your Fridge.

Yeah, i kinda like it.

You see, i like a list where everything has a definite function. Personally, i would drop the two dreadknights and the paladins, and spend the money on strike squads. You need lots of scoring units, and right now you have two 5 men squads. By throwing in a few more, keeping them 5 man, giving them all rhinos. You are now probs thinking, 'But what about the raider?'. Now this is a toughie, but i would wack in a 5 man termie squad with whatever equip you want, and drive them straight down the middle. The psychological effect this has on opponents is immense, and it also diverts attention away from your (in my opinion more important) strike squads.

But then again thats IMHO.....

-Alex

   
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare





Firstly English mans of units:

Scriptor = Librarian

Nemesis-Ritter = Dreadknight

Just so when I use the English names you know what I'm talking about.

Here's what I'd do keep some of the same elements but upping their threat level and reducing your issues:

You don't need 6 Servo skulls, 2 is enough as all you need them for is blocking scouters. Warp Rift is Ok not sure when I'd use it though. Incinerators aren't great Psycannons are. Always take psycannons basically wherever you can.

So drop the 4 Servo Skulls, Warp rift and the Incinerator, Give the GM a Psycannon and the Libby a Warding stave (his job is to buff the army and not die).

Ven Dreads are awesome and config is great.

You have 2 5 man squads as troops that is not enough scoring in a game where 2 out of 3 are objective based. Nowhere near enough at 2k. Likewise your paladin squad isn't best suited to take advantage of the upgrades you've given them. I can see why you'veem (so they fit in the redeemer), but you need psycannons and Falchions. So take a normal Terminator squad with 5 Falchions and Psycannon for 250. You'll have to up the Land Raider to a Crusader to compensate.

This gives you more hitting power from that unit as you have an extra body and each guy is getting 5 attacks on the charge instead of 3 so thats 25 attacks from the unit rather than 12, still at I10, S7 doing 2d6 armour pen . You'll kill anything you touch.

The Dreadknights are fine and I presume they are there to shunt punch using the GMs Grand Strategy to make a 30" scout move and then assault on turn 1?

Not a huge fan of the Dreadknight but my changes should make the list more viable in objective games and it will be more threatening. It requires a total rebuild to bee tournament ready but with my suggestions it will give friendly lists a problem and should cause the unprepared opponent real issues.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

Yes my Colour is Black but not for the reasons stated mainly just because it's slimming... http://imperiusdominatus.blogspot.com 
   
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Well, what you've said makes sense and i tried to do some changes based upon ur suggestions.

*************** 2 HQ ***************

Grey Knight Grand Master
- Storm bolter
- Nemesis force sword
- 3 x Servo-Skulls
- Blind grenades
- Psychotroke grenades
- Rad grenades
- - - > 225 Points

Librarian
- Storm bolter
- Nemesis force Sword
- Quicksilver
- Might of Titan
- Sanctuary
- - - > 165 Points


*************** 2 Elites ***************

Venerable Dreadnought
- Twin-linked autocannon
- Twin-linked autocannon
- Psybolt ammunition
- - - > 195 Points

Venerable Dreadnought
- Twin-linked autocannon
- Twin-linked autocannon
- Psybolt ammunition
- - - > 195 Points


*************** 3 Troops ***************

Grey Knight Strike Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 3 x Nemesis force Swords
- 3 x Storm bolter
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Upgrade to Justicar
- 3 x Nemesis force Swords
- 3 x Storm bolter
+ - Rhino
- - - > 150 Points

Grey Knight Strike Squad
5 Grey Knights
- 3 x Nemesis force Swords
- 3 x Storm bolter
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Upgrade to Justicar
- 3 x Nemesis force Swords
- 3 x Storm bolter
+ - Rhino
- - - > 150 Points

Terminatorsquad
5 Terminators
- 4 x Nemesis falchions
- 3 x Storm bolter
- 1 x Psycannon
+ Upgrade to Justicar
- Nemesis falchions
- Storm bolter
- - - > 250 Points


*************** 3 Heavy Support ***************

Dreadknight
- 2 x Nemesis doomfists
- Personal Teleporter
- - - > 205 Points

Dreadknight
- 2 x Nemesis doomfists
- Personal Teleporter
- - - > 205 Points

Land Raider Crusader
- Twin-linked assaultcannon
- Psybolt ammunition
- - - > 260 Points


Grey Knights : 2000
   
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Ultramarine Chaplain with Hate to Spare





I'd consider dropping a servo skull to get shrouding on the Libby. Remember shrouding and snactuary are cast in your opponents turn so you are still free to use Quicksilver and MoT in your turn.

Giving a Landraider a 3+ cover save on the 1 turn the enemy has to shoot at it before it delivers its payload is awesome sauce.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

Yes my Colour is Black but not for the reasons stated mainly just because it's slimming... http://imperiusdominatus.blogspot.com 
   
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Kay, I'll change that, and hope that this List will stand its ground.^^
   
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Ladies Love the Vibro-Cannon Operator






Hamburg

That's an elite army with point-costly models.
Not sure if you need the Grand Master in such a list since grand strategy (units becoming troops) is not applicable,
and scouting is not necessary, since with your low body count you don't want to get too early too close to the enemy.

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Well, i thought that the Dreadknights could alpha strike into my Enemys and target their Tanks, HQ's or so, wouldnt Grand Strategie be worth that? Also the GM is giving me the 3 Grenades.
   
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Not sure if you need the Grand Master in such a list since grand strategy (units becoming troops) is not applicable,
and scouting is not necessary, since with your low body count you don't want to get too early too close to the enemy.


I disgaree I think the Dreadknights become pointless without Grandstrategy.

Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.

Yes my Colour is Black but not for the reasons stated mainly just because it's slimming... http://imperiusdominatus.blogspot.com 
   
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Yes, think so too.
   
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So, with this changes this List would be viable?
   
 
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