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I don't understand all the complains.

Some of it is justified. This isn't ideal and the Sisters range needs all new plastic models. Fans of the list have been waiting for long time. Still, I have a hard time believing that the new dex will be worse than the current one. Smooth out some rules, bring the points costs in line with 5th, and add a new unit or two and you have a decent enough stopgap.

I'm sure that fans of codices like Necrons, Eldar, Tau, and Daemons wouldn't mind a small update. Look at how much the FAQ effected the playability of DA and BT. If bringing some rules and costs in line with 5th is enough to make some of the lesser played armies playable again until a full on update and new models come out then that's fine by me.

The issue is not so much that the rules may be worse than the current ones (although every single WD codex has been atrocious so far), it's that a stopgap codex means waiting that much longer for the real deal.

Does it though? Has this been confirmed? If so then I get the problem but nowhere has this been stated other than fanboy speculation. Who knows whether or not this becomes something GW starts doing from time to time. I'd take the rules even if they don't have to models ready.

I'm just stating what the issue is as I understand it. I have no opinion one way or the other. I have a SoB army, but I am long long past caring what GW does. I learned that lesson when 3rd edition rolled out.

The idea that "this stopgap delays the real dex" is unsubstantiated. I'd love to see where you and others are getting that from. It's an assumption.

I bet five internets that the finecast Sisters are gonna have more flaws than an LSD junky's interpretation of reality.

From what I understand the flaws are a vocal minority. I have seem plenty of good finecast stuff. You can debate the finer points of the price increase and other issues in different threads. No need for the derail.

Overall, I don't see the issue if Sisters are getting a real update later. No one really knows everything at this point but what we do know is that they are working on models and have had some rumored issues. The way I see it is that Sisters are getting an update that brings them in line with 5th for the time being. I play Daemons and if I was told that a full new dex was a year or so off but we were getting a stopgap update to give the army a shot in the arm for now I'd be ecstatic.

It's not perfect but it's something. Hell, a simple FAQ update that brought BT and DA into 5th got people using them again. Giving Sisters players a reason to dust off the old models is reason enough that this is a good thing.

Again, the Blood Angel WD army list was a big improvement over the (then) current Blood Angel book. Was it as good as the Blood Angels codex actually turned out to be? No, but I think a whole LOT of this stems from the fact that the Blood Angel WD army list was a sibling to the (undeniably) weak Dark Angels codex rather than simply because it was published in White Dwarf.

If the Sisters of Battle army list in WD was co-designed alongside the Grey Knight book then there's no reason it shouldn't be at roughly the same level of 'power' as the Grey Knights.

+1 Just because something happened way back when doesn't mean that an internationally gimped codex is coming. Even the worst 5th edition codex is leaps and bounds better than what Sisters have now.

And Melissia, yet again you keep acting like the release of this army list in White Dwarf changes when GW will release an actual codex. Of course it doesn't. GW has always released their full army codexes to help promote miniature releases. So regardless of whether or not this army list gets published in WD would have absolutely NO impact on when the actual codex gets released.

And you keep saying over and over again that every PDF army list they've ever released has sucked, but for the 1,000th time: The last 40K army list they released via White Dwarf (Blood Angels) was a massive improvement over the existing codex at the time.

She just likes to complain, plain and simple. There is no way that the codex will be worse than what they have now. New models should be nice too. Complaining about only 5 per box? If the rumors are true and it really is such a catch all unit and clocks in at around $30 or less than I see no problems. The new GK units are 5 per box and still beat the metal prices.

So if it is going to take, say 2 years until they're able to finish sculpting all the miniatures why would you not want some sort of improvement over the existing codex during that time?

This is absolutely the most important point: who said that this WD codex is pushing back anything? Where did that info come from? It's an assumption. As I've said before, I'd easily take a stopgap for Daemons and I'm sure plenty of other armies would be happy as well.

When one invests alot of time and money into an army, one gets to complain. Your VERY niave to think that the WD army will be worse then what we have now. What if, for instance, sisters move to other slots then troops, and say repentia, adeptus arbites and militia are troops? Is that better or worse?

Folks arent happy its a WD release, and worry their work is ruined. I cant blame them, given GW's history and track record.....

Every codex brings change. To think it won't be heavily or almost entirely Sisters based is really being the naive one. The Blood Angels Codex came from a different edition and a time when the game designers were different in mindset as well. Even the worst 5th edition codex is head and shoulders over what Sisters have now.

Right now 10 Battle Sisters with a Veteran, Book, and 2 Meltas in a Rhino with smoke launchers is 202 points. Add in an Eviscerator and Imagnifier and that squad clocks in at 247.

9 Grey Hunters with a melta, banner, Wolf Guard with powerfist and combi melta, and a Rhino costs 227. I don't think I even need to go into the numerous advantages this squad has.

Simply getting the costs and rules of Sisters back in line with 5th edition WILL make them a better codex. Period.

As I've said before, it's not ideal but it is better than what they have. Also, it would be a great time to unload those unwanted models for anyone who is absolutely convinced the codex will be crap.

If you are adding Eviscerators and Imagnifer to the squad, then you really aren't playing Sisters correctly.

The best composition is either:
-10 Battle Sisters, Veteran Sister Superior, Book of St. Lucius, Brazier or Combi-Flamer, Meltagun, Heavy Flamer, Rhino, Extra Armour, Smoke

or

-10 Battle Sisters, Veteran Sister Superior, Book of St. Lucius, Brazier or Combi-Flamer, Flamer, Heavy Flamer, Rhino, Extra Armour, Smoke

The current problem in the codex is the Rhino costing 50 points, extra armour 5 points, smoke 3 points, and search lights 1 point. On top of that, the Sisters of Battle Rhino has only one fire point.

That's all well and good, but they are still overcosted compared to the new codices troops.

IMO 11 points for a Sister, which is essentially a vet guard in power armour with bolter, is good deal. If they do bring Sister in line, they might bump the heavy flamer to 20 points, similar to IG one. But in return, I hope they increase the number of special weapons, allowing 3 Meltaguns.

As it stands they are too many points IMO. They should be 10 points per Sister. Maybe an additional 10 for a Vet Sister. I would not be opposed to them having stubborn base.

Sisters aren't all that bad in current 5th ed. They only suffer in annihilation missions, lack or reserves, and not enough beefy vehicles against anti-range mech shooty spam.

I wouldn't say they are the worst list but they are a bottom tier army...probably bottom 3.

As it stands Sisters:

Aren't competitive-especially in the tournament circuit.

Aren't fun to play- they are confined to a gimmicky Rhino rush mono-build.

Aren't flavorful- as is stands, what do you see (if you even see them played?) Cannoness, Battles Sisters, Immolator, Exorcists, Seraphim, and sometimes Inquisitors (for sleaze factor), and Celestians

So if they can make the new codex either competitive, fun, flavorful, or any of the above combinations then it's a better codex. New models (which have been rumored) are a plus as well.

Let's all freak out and judge Sisters based on incomplete rumors without points costs!!!!

Come on people. As of right now Sisters are not competitive, not interesting or flavorful, and not fun to play. Even the die hard Sisters players have to admit the codex is bad. Here's a nice link that breaks down the victories in 2010-2011 for the Indy GT circuit per army:

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/06/06/indy-gt-circuit-2010-2011-season-in-review/

No wins by Sisters?!?! It's almost like the codex is bad. The only lists that anyone ever sees are all the same mono build. Marines light with faith points. It's a horrible codex. To those who are complaining; how are you getting worse? Because really, if you make Sisters competitive, fun, or interesting it's already an upgrade.