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So my local GW is having a little compatiton which is a 500 point tournament for every system one hero one core and what ever you want. so quite liturally i though i would be nice and mean with my ig:
psyker
veteran squad
3 meltaguns
carapace armour
manticore
vendetta
hb sponsons

I want to fit the manticore and psyker in there but anyway i could make it even more cheesey, im thinking a platoon instead of the veterans and having the psyker and the manticore and just going max infantry!

At 500pts, my Orks would tear this apart. I like the idea of maxing out the infantry with a platoon though because it means you can field a lot more decent stuff, rather than an overpriced vet squad (yeah, grenadiers doctrine sucks IMO)
For the guard, I might suggest a 500pt list like this

Primaris Psyker
(70)
Platoon A
PCS - 4xflamers, bolter
(52)
IS - autocannon, gl
(65)
IS - autocannon, gl
(65)
Platoon B
PCS - 4xflamers, bolter
(52)
IS - Commissar w. PW, Sergeant w. PW & meltabombs, meltagun
(120)
IS - Sergeant w. PW & meltabombs, meltagun
(75)

Total 499pts. It gives you 51 models on the table, which doesn't sound like much but is actually pretty decent. Just remember that since your guard, stay out of assualt with individual units

Ya see i'm not feeling the vibe of your army cause someone could bring a land raider and big mean stuff so here list no.2:

psyker
manticore
Command
3 meltaguns
3 squads
3 grenades launchers
3 missile launchers

its has anti big things (meltaguns,manticore), anti horde (missile launchers, lasguns fire(yes it does add up), grenade launchers, lightning, manticore) and has reasnable anti mech (pritty much everything)

i think this is the list i'll stick with!

How does my list not have anti tank? I can't change your mind for you but like I said my Orks would steamroll that list

First of all, you need to understand that the game doesn't work at this points level unless you use combat patrol rules. But I digress.

You don't need Melta at 500 points. Nothing will have AV14 all around at this points level. What you'll be facing is 20-30 infantry models possibly backed up by 1-2 low AV tanks. So let's make something that's good against that kind of list while also being difficult to take down at the same time.

CCS - 4 x Plasma Gun, Chimera (Multilaser, Heavy Flamer) - 145
PCS - 2 x Grenade Launcher, Autocannon, Chimera (Multilaser, Heavy Flamer) - 105
Infantry Squad, Grenade Launcher, Autocannon, Chimera (Multilaser, Heavy Flamer) - 120
Infantry Squad, Grenade Launcher, Autocannon, Chimera (Multilaser, Heavy Flamer) - 120

Infantry? That's 4 Heavy Flamers, 4 Mutlilasers and 4 Grenade Launchers.
Low AV tanks? 4 Plasma Guns, 4 Grenade Launchers, 4 Mutlilasers and 3 Autocannons.
Big scary MC's? See above.

In return you have 30 GEQ and 4 tanks showing AV12. Pretty decent at 500 points.

I feel like I should point out you can run into AV 14 stuff at 500pts, as IG could field this..

CCS with 2 Flamers or a meltagun- 60pts
2 Vet Squads - 140pts
2 Leman Russ tanks -300pts

Your list Unbeliever doesn't even have a 2nd infantry unit, being one HQ and one Troop.

That is exactly why I play IG

Nice list BlkTom

BlkTom wrote:I feel like I should point out you can run into AV 14 stuff at 500pts, as IG could field this..

CCS with 2 Flamers or a meltagun- 60pts
2 Vet Squads - 140pts
2 Leman Russ tanks -300pts

Your list Unbeliever doesn't even have a 2nd infantry unit, being one HQ and one Troop.

my local gw are do a tournament atm and you only need one hq and one troops so that make an land raider even more likely!

Indeed. Really, the best thing about Guard is the cost. You can fit alot of stuff in a very small point window that other armies have a hard time doing.

Compare that list to say a Vannilla marine list...

HQ (4 choices) 100pts
Troop (5x scouts x2) 75pts (150pts)
Troop (10x scouts with a HB) 150pts
Troop (7x Tactical Marines with a PF) 147pts
(can now add a Stormbolter to your HQ for 3pts)
Heavy (Land Raider) 250pts

You would outnumber him 2 to 1, but he is gonna be a beast yet to deal with, specially if he does the marines (at least 3 to 1 now), as that PF could be on the HQ and have him added to the squad, riding in the land raider.