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Other than those units listed under troops, I know you can make wraithguard troops, too. But otherwise, the troops choices you get look pretty weak. Dire Avengers look OK but is there no way to make aspect warrirors into troops?

What troop allocations are the best bet for an eldar army? Guardians seem a little fragile to me.

For Mech, use Dire Avengers. If you want to do away with troops as far as possible, just take a 5-man DA squad, pop them in a Wave Serpent, and park it on the objective.

For Footdar, guardians work well with the Avatar. Huddle up, and shuffle your way around the battlefield.

Rangers seem good for both types, but make you keep a unit near them to intercept anything going to get them. Hide them in cover, and pop away.

And, for a cheap troop squad, storm guardians seem the way to go. Get a bunch of flamers, and a warlock with Destructor for another template.

Wraithguards are the only other option that I've seen. They go well with Wraithlords, as your Spiritseers can keep them all going.

Not that I've tried any of the above, but it's from 4 months of reading up on Eldar.

I'm not sure if you can still do this in 5th, but in the last Eldar 'dex you could put together a list called 'The Court Of The Young King' (I think that's what it was called ).

This allowed you to take Aspect Warriors as Troops.

Dunno if you still can.......*shrugs*

Some of the barious combos I have used or played against.

Eldar Jetbikes. Various builds but I tend to always have a Warlock with Embolden.

Guardians with Scatterlaser. 10 with a Scatterlaser runs less than 100 points. Not a great unit but does have some utility.

Storm Guardians. Another cheap unit with 2 Flamers or 2 Fusion Guns (plus Warlock) in a WS has utility.

Dire Avengers of various builds work well, although I am not a fan of spending points for the Exarch upgrade. For 12 points each, you can get a decent anti infantry capability.

Not a fan of Pathfinders, but Rangers can be useful, althouh too many points for what you get in my opinion.

I think you can find a use for any Eldar Troop choices, but it all will depend on the type of army you play. Synergy is key in any Eldar army.

Guardians are over pointed really. They need revising.

I quite like taking 2 full units of dire avengers with exarch and bladestorm and put them each in a wave serpent.

I miss the old Biel-tan rules that let you have aspect warriors as troops. I hope the next codex allows this

They can do alot of damage to a unit if you've cast doom on especially if you've put guide on the avengers. You can use them to make a last grab at objectives with the speed of the wave serpent and energy shields are good protection too. So quite a flexiable unit really which is something you dont otherwise get in an Eldar army.

I never use rangers but I've seem them used to good effect on holding objectives whilst being a pain for the enemy

Eldar Guardian Jetbikes are fun to use as well.

Nothing says movement shenanigans like 12 inch move, 6 inch assault jump, or 24 inch turbo boost, and the ability to fly over any intervening terrain while you are at it. If you are playing somebody isn't familiar with Eldar it'll seem like you're just moving your models in all of the phases as far as you want lol.

Then you get to the shooting phase and you've got a 3+ armor save. Basically flying space marines, and when you consider that the embolden warlock lets you re roll those leadership checks, its very rare that the unit will ever flee.

GJB are one of the best troops we have, because they are perfectly suited to what troops are needed for in this game. Capturing and claiming objectives nearly anywhere on the table at a moments notice- all for a reasonable price. They are so much better than pathfinders its just embarrassing.

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:I'm not sure if you can still do this in 5th, but in the last Eldar 'dex you could put together a list called 'The Court Of The Young King' (I think that's what it was called ).

The Court isn't in the 4th edition Codex.

iirc, it's an Apocalypse formation now.

I'd say Dire Avengers win the whole troops section of the dex hands down. With a Bladestorm exarch, it's something like 32 shots you can put out in one round, from a 10 man squad, at 18" range! The squad costs 152 points, which is around the same price as a crappy 5 man unit of upgraded rangers, who probably won't kill much of anything.

Storm Guardians are still guardians, and S3 T3 sucks so bad, regardless of if they have a few bonus flamers or boosted weapon skill. You'll be lucky to have them take even a few ork boyz on the charge.

Guardian defenders IMO are great backfield objective holders. If they get shot to pieces, eh, it's only 100 points (usually less and if they don't they spend the entire game pestering anyone in sight with scatter lasers or EML's.

Wraithguard x10 with a warlock does seem like a fun troop unit, but last I checked the unit is approaching 400 points for a footslogging group of guys with no invulnerable saves. Not to mention it's $150 at US retail just for the wraithguard, prices aren't too much better on eBay either.

I would love to have something in the next dex unlocking some aspect warriors as troops. If Swooping Hawks, Dark Reapers, or Scorpions/Banshees could be scoring units, they would be very fun choices to field. Especially Swooping Hawks.

Guardian Jetbikes in general are pretty good all around.

Guardian Jetbikes using a Warlock with Destructor are pretty nice against horde armies. Nice speedy heavy flamer.

Turbo boost to get objectives or set up charges on heavy weapon squads.

They are also close to MEQ, so they are pretty resilient.

I think guardians on jetbikes are the best eldar have to offer for troops. They're fast and resilient.

Noisy_Marine wrote:I think guardians on jetbikes are the best eldar have to offer for troops. They're fast and resilient.

Yes and No to the resiliancy. Compared to other Eldar, model for model they are one of the most resilient models in the codex. t4, 3+ save. Definitely solid (Marine players really don't appreciate those stats like I do .

But they are expensive per model as well. The standard 4 guy build (2 normal duders, 1 cannon duder, and a warlock with a spear and embolden) clocks in at 129 points. 4 t4 3+ save wounds on the entire unit for 129 points. That is not durable at all. A stiff breeze will knock these guys out of the sky.

Of course they have godly speed and movement capabilities. Jumping over terrain, jump shoot jump abilities, and 3+ turbo boost saves all give them a considerable boost to avoiding heavy fire, and thanks to embolden they won't flee very often. This gives them a sense of durability, since your opponent usually needs to exterminate them totally, and it can be tough for him to get enough weapons in range of the fleeing jet bikes.

Of course if you put them, point for point, into a fire fight with a REAL resilient unit like Plague Marines? I'll let you guess who wins that shoot out!

Eumerin wrote:

sarpedons-right-hand wrote:I'm not sure if you can still do this in 5th, but in the last Eldar 'dex you could put together a list called 'The Court Of The Young King' (I think that's what it was called ).

The Court isn't in the 4th edition Codex.

iirc, it's an Apocalypse formation now.

There was a supplimental Codex for the 3rd edition where there were special rules for what craftworld you used.

Ulthwé had black guardians that got +1BS for no extra cost but you were not allowed aspect warriros. They also had the seer council of Ulthwé which was similar to what we have now except you had to take two farseers and could have unlimited amounts of warlocks.

Biel-Tan had aspect warriors as troops.

Iyanden could take Wraithguard and Wraitlords as troops.

Alaitoc could take rangers as troops (they used to be elite i think in the 3rd edition)

Saim-Hann could take Jetbikes and Vyper Jetbikes as troops

I'm sure there were even more things too. Just cant remember what else (it was 10 years ago)