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Custodes, the original Captain-General of the Custodes, Constantin, beat Horus in a sparring match, and he wasn't/isn't even a primarch.


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Redshade wrote: I did. I know fluff wise custodes are bigger and better equiped but until they do more then stand around the throne room they will not get my vote. why does it take 10,000 super spacemarines to watch big E. they could be doing so much more. tey should just give the Guardian Spears to some one who will use them. if they are as tough as they clame they shouldn't need them.

Only 300 actually watch him, the rest watch over the palace grounds, keep an eye on other lords of terra to shut down on any attempt of treason, and participate in Blood Games

And the acting Captain-General participates in all meetings of terran high lords and the heads of all the adeptuses, or whatever the plural of adeptus is.

Pilau Rice wrote:

King Pariah wrote:Custodes, the original Captain-General of the Custodes, Constantin, beat Horus in a sparring match, and he wasn't/isn't even a primarch.

Source please?

Constantine Valdor was one of the first High Lords of Terra. He also had a close relationship with the Primarchs Rogal Dorn and Leman Russ, although initially Russ and Valdor didn't see eye to eye. Dorn was ever-present at the Imperial Palace during the great Crusade and so Valdor and the Primarch spent much time together. On the other hand, Valdor only earned Russ's respect when the former defeated Horus in a sparring match. The two were then together during the Battle of Prospero. There is no mention of when or how Valdor was killed if he was killed at all. He stepped down from command as a High Lord so that he could protect his beloved Emperor, now ensconsed within the Golden Throne.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Adeptus_Custodes#Known_Custodes

There's your source.

Pilau Rice wrote:

King Pariah wrote:Valdor only earned Russ's respect when the former defeated Horus in a sparring match.

For this please, where is this coming from?

Not 100% trusting of 40k Wiki or Lexicanum as both are editable by anyone.

Okay, so I'm very new to 40k (I just started playing last October) so I don't have the extensive background most everyone else here seems to have. If i can find a more credible source, I'll post it, but until then, this is what I'm running on.

Well since they do possess some of the Emperor's genetic material, it's not hard to imagine that they are at least latent

I hate to be the jerk, but debating over Fiction is quite hilarious. Personally, I say we ask Matt Ward to make the Custodes their own codex just to see what the almighty has to say about this. But if we look at the game currently, and before you ask me for the source I'm gonna say hunt it down yourself because I've been working heavy machinery all day and am too exhausted, if you try playing Custodes, you're apparently supposed to use the Grey Knights as a basis for them which I think would more or less imply that they are fairly close to equal in strength. Though one (the Custodes in my opinion because Constantin Valdor is such a badass) may be at least marginally stronger than the other. King Pariah out.