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My (eventual) goal is to build a Ork Gargant. Not a Stompa, but a actual Gargant. I'm trying to figure out the size for a Truescale Gargant, just a regular Gargant, not a Great Gargant or a Mega Gargant cause that would be huge and untransportable.

I done some research, including reading the Lexicanum article:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gargant
This article mentions that Gargants are around the height of a four storey building, which using the Cites of Death measurement of 7.5" per storey means a Truescale Gargant would be around 30" tall.

Does this measurement of 30" tall and the logic behind it make sense?

I've also read a bunch of threads on this subject on a bunch of different forums and most point to this chart:
http://gargant-owners-club.tripod.com/id6.html
My understanding from what I've read is that Krooza's chart is based off of the Epic minatures, and that the Epic Gargants were not correctly scaled to each other. I want my Gargant to be an 'accurate' (ha) scale, so I don't want to base it off these measurements.

EDIT: Yes, I realize Ork equipment isn't standardized, but I'm still looking for a general size range.

Yeah that sounds about right. A friend and I are planning on doing a Imperator Titan this summer. We figure to the tops of the towers not included the spire "roof" is about 40 inches. So we are going to build it to be about 46 inches bottom to top.

I think we took what the size would be if it was real and scaled it to based off the scale of the game.

I always though the rough size analogy between ork and imperial titans was:

Warhound - Stompa
Reaver - Gargant
Warlord - Great Gargant
Imperator - Mega Gargant

Maybe go along with a reaver-sized model, it will still be impressive, but won't be so big and cumbersome.

If you're going to make a gargant, why not go all the way and make a Mega Gargant? In for a penny, in for a pound. That's what I always say.

Fallenbourne wrote:Yeah that sounds about right. A friend and I are planning on doing a Imperator Titan this summer. We figure to the tops of the towers not included the spire "roof" is about 40 inches. So we are going to build it to be about 46 inches bottom to top.

I think we took what the size would be if it was real and scaled it to based off the scale of the game.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/02/showcase-40k-scale-imperator-titan.html

Jus' sayin.

From Lexicanum:

The Imperator

The Imperator is one of the larger examples of an Emperor Titan. Only the most battle-hardened Princeps are given command of an Imperator. In comparison to Battle Titans of all classes, Imperators are rare with most Titan Legions only able to field three or four Imperators in a campaign. The Grand Masters of Titan legions often use Imperator Titans, modified to a greater or lesser degree, as mobile headquarters. From here they issue commands to the whole legion or even lead vital assaults personally if the situation warrants it.

Imperators are employed most of the time as vast mobile fortresses to strengthen vulnerable sectors of the battlefront or to act as a reserve force behind the front-line. When a major offensive begins, Imperator Titans spearhead massive assaults of men and machines, their terrifying firepower blasting a path through enemy lines.

A complete company of infantry plus supporting troops can be housed on board the Imperator to guard it against infantry assault or be transported to a vital objective.

The Imperator is configured to deliver salvos of devastation at all ranges, the fire intensifying as the Imperator closes with its target. However, Imperators are not normally equipped to fight other Titans in close combat. Instead they rely on their deadly firepower to cripple opponents before they get too close.3

According to the scale diagram from the Imperator's Apocalypse datasheet, it stands approximately 39" tall on tabletop, equivalent to 55.5 meters (166ft) in real life.

Dies Irae,2 the famous Chaos Imperator Titan that laid siege to the Imperial Palace, was stated as being 43m (130ft) tall, though it is by no means clear that Dies Irae had cathedral spires, serving as it was during the time of the Imperial Truth.

As discovered in Dawn of War: Winter Assault, the planet Lorn V houses the fallen Mars-pattern Imperator Dominatus, which became a battleground for Imperial and Eldar forces as they fight for control over the Titan's weapons. In the campaign of Dawn of War: Dark Crusade, the planet Kronus bears the Hellstorm Cannon of the Imperator Aquila Ignis.

Leigen_Zero wrote:
2011/05/12 02:01:25 Subject: Truescale Gargant Size?
I always though the rough size analogy between ork and imperial titans was:

Warhound - Stompa
Reaver - Gargant
Warlord - Great Gargant
Imperator - Mega Gargant

Maybe go along with a reaver-sized model, it will still be impressive, but won't be so big and cumbersome.

That was my plan at one point, but the Forge World Reaver Titan (by my calculations) is undersize at only 16 inches. I estimate a Reaver Titan model would 28.5 inches tall if were scaled accurately, but I understand that GW had to sacrifice scale for affordability. So if I'm figuring that a Truescale Gargant would would be around the same size, which comes pretty close to my 4 storey x 7.5" CoD scale storey calculation of 30 inches.

I plan to use a whole Baneblade track as a Titan CCW. A Baneblade track is about 9 - 9.5 inches long, so I wanted to build a Gargant or Gargant variant that could handle that big of a weapon.

Madmax1 wrote:
If you're going to make a gargant, why not go all the way and make a Mega Gargant? In for a penny, in for a pound. That's what I always say.

Maybe one day, but for now a 30 inch Gargant seems like a really insane project. Plus you'd need at least a cargo van to transport a Truescale Mega Gargant

Fallenbourne wrote:
According to the scale diagram from the Imperator's Apocalypse datasheet, it stands approximately 39" tall on tabletop, equivalent to 55.5 meters (166ft) in real life.

Hmmm . . . you bring up a good point. According to offical Forge World measurments combined and compared to size comparision on the Apocalypse datasheets; Imperial Titans models (according to GW) should be:
Warhound 10.5"
Reaver 16"
Warlord 23"
Emperor 39"

That mean GW has the Titan models roughly around 1/60 scale give or take a little in both directions for different models:
Warhound height of 45' / 60 = .75 x 12" = 9 inches (a little shorter than the Forge World model)
Reaver height of 85' / 60 = 1.4166 x 12" = 17 inches (a little taller than the Forge World model)
Warlord height of 100' / 60 = 1.666 x 12" = 20 inches (3" shorter than calculations based on Apocalypse datasheet illustrations)
Emperor height of 166' / 60 = 2.766 x 12" = 33 inches (6" shorter that calculations based on Apocalypse datasheet illustrations)

Of course 40K vehicles fit somewhere between 1/35 to 1/48, taking into account 'Heroic' proportions. A 1/35 Reaver Titan would be about 29 inches tall, which would put a Gargant in same ballpark.

(sigh) GW and their various scales. I guess it really depends on what scale I think is 'correct'.

Truthfully go with what ever size you want. GWs proportions do suck. I think we got like 3 different sizes for our titan depending on using 40k scale, epic scale, or eyeballing it from various pics we had.

If you want to use the baneblade track as a CCW at 9 inches long. Figure the with the arm, total length straight at about 15 or so inches. But that is straight bend it and you should be fine. My guess is 30-36 inch height should do you fine. It will give you room to place anything you want on it.

As a bit of inspiration, we plan on our imperator to be wide enough to have at least a kill team game on the shoulder/cathedral area, maybe even a 500 pt game depending on the open-ness of the platform.

Anyway you go, good luck with the project.

Thanks, good luck on your Imperator. Looking forward to seeing the progress when you start building it.