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So, a few times now in another thread, people have said that the Emperor of Man had all four chaos gods unite against him, and fail to kill him. Now, try as I might, I don't fully grasp this. Let me explain -

First, when, and where did the chaos gods ACTUALLY attack the Emperor? I have not heard of anything of them beating it out, nor have I heard of them fighting each other in the Warp. If it's out there, please direct me to where (I would love to read something that epic)

Second - Was it not only the followers of Chaos who assaulted Terra?

Third - Those followers did in fact mortally wound the Emperor (Horus dealing a killing blow, but the Emperor's will kept him alive long enough to reach the Golden Throne).

I'm not saying that Big-E isn't amazing, and the fluff around him is nothing short of pure epic. I'm just trying to see exactly where they are coming from, and would love some insight from those who have delved much further into the storyline than I have.

When the Emperor fought Horus, he had the full backing of all 4 dark gods.

The dark gods tried to destroy the Emperor's primarchs; their combined powers failed and merely scattered them.

ph34r wrote:When the Emperor fought Horus, he had the full backing of all 4 dark gods.

Not to mention that Emperor destroy his SOUL with his full power, even after being mortally wounded...


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Amanax wrote:So, a few times now in another thread, people have said that the Emperor of Man had all four chaos gods unite against him, and fail to kill him. Now, try as I might, I don't fully grasp this. Let me explain -

First, when, and where did the chaos gods ACTUALLY attack the Emperor? I have not heard of anything of them beating it out, nor have I heard of them fighting each other in the Warp. If it's out there, please direct me to where (I would love to read something that epic)

Second - Was it not only the followers of Chaos who assaulted Terra?

Third - Those followers did in fact mortally wound the Emperor (Horus dealing a killing blow, but the Emperor's will kept him alive long enough to reach the Golden Throne).

I'm not saying that Big-E isn't amazing, and the fluff around him is nothing short of pure epic. I'm just trying to see exactly where they are coming from, and would love some insight from those who have delved much further into the storyline than I have.

They tried to destroy him, but not directly - because they cannot. Eldar control webways and most paths trough warp. Plus, Necrons have build pylons to keep EoT from spreading. And the only reason Horus was able to morally wound the Emperor is because he let him, he didn't want to fight his most favorite son. Even then he believe he could bring him back from darkness. Only after he saw how low his son has fall, he destroy him and his soul from existence.

And there is theory, that if he ever enter warp fully...he would rape them. And then reincarnate. This shows how awesome he is , bad thing is only that his followers are look at him as a god - and he was trying to keep them go into scientific direction.

Yeah, Like the others said.
The Chaos gods cannot effectively attack the material realm. They can do small acts of power and when they all come together can even do something more grand, like steal and scatter the Primarchs.
But if they were to try to manifest and attack the emperor in the material realm, they would get banished in a heart beat.
The emperor is most powerful here, just as they are most powerful in the warp, which is why the emperor doesn't waltz into the warp and try and kill the Chaos gods (which probably isn't even possible). The Emperor would get owned by the Chaos gods in the warp if he entered in his material body. (There is a theory that if he entered Via his death and merged with the Star child that he would whoop up on the Chaos gods and be reborn, but it's just a theory)

This is why the Chaos gods manipulate and corrupt the most powerful material beings in existence besides the emperor, the Primarchs. As the Primarchs are powerful material beings, just like the Emperor, they are the Chaos gods best chance at killing him in the material world.

Pre- or Post- star child? Or in between?

Pre has already happened - close, but the emperor won.

Right now, he not it much of a position to swat a fly, much less take on the chaos gods.

Post, the chaos gods will get eatn alive.

Well, the Emperor is incredibly more powerful now than he was during the Heresy.

In 40k, worshiping something as a god does make it a god. Since the Emperor was already god-like, 10 thousand years of worship has scaled him up some.

This is actually what the chaos gods were afraid of. They couldn't resist him now even if they united. Fortunately for them, the Emperor foolishly imprisoned himself in the Golden Throne.

If Draigo, a Grey Knight Grandmaster, can survive and thrive in the warp. Then the Emprah would wreak absolute havoc.

Kaldor Draigo is a ****, I played Daemons last night vs GK what a chump good thing he has good fluff because he got rocked by a bloodthirster last night lol.

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Draigo > Emperor.

more seriously:

The Emperor is ultimately a large collection of souls, not too dissimilar to an Eldar Phoenix Lord. The power of one of the Chaos powers is much greater.

Or it's even possible that like all things of the warp, the Emperor is just part of the big 4 like everything else.

Its probably not possible to kill a Chaos God. & even if you were somehow able to destroy one, or at least destroy it's malevolent aspects, another would just form in it's place, because the big four are all based on base emotions.

They're created & maintained by the existence of sentient beings.

The chaos Gods are warp entities like any other. The only reason they're so powerful is that the emotions which feed them (Anger/Pride, Fear of Mortality, Excess & Hope for/Fear of Change) are such powerful & ubiquitous emotions.

Noob question: who is the star child?

Does anyone else reckon that he would win, purely because he IS Chuck Norris?

somecallmeJack wrote:Its probably not possible to kill a Chaos God. & even if you were somehow able to destroy one, or at least destroy it's malevolent aspects, another would just form in it's place, because the big four are all based on base emotions.

They're created & maintained by the existence of sentient beings.

The chaos Gods are warp entities like any other. The only reason they're so powerful is that the emotions which feed them (Anger/Pride, Fear of Mortality, Excess & Hope for/Fear of Change) are such powerful & ubiquitous emotions.

I would imagine if you were to "kill" a chaos god it wouldn't be killing them at all. IT would probably do something like sending them into a hibernation type state.

Dr_Chin wrote:Kaldor Draigo is a ****, I played Daemons last night vs GK what a chump good thing he has good fluff because he got rocked by a bloodthirster last night lol.

[Mod Kilkrazy wrote Not so much of that please, it's against forum rules.]

Didn't use dark excommunication or force weapons huh?