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So..i should know this..but honestly have never used them. What exactly happens when i used Force weapons against 2 wound models with a invo save. Save is made and they live.. OR save fails and model is insta dead due to Force weapon?

Also real fast question, and again i should know this 100% but, Model has 2 wounds..gets a single wound from a Power weapon..NO insta death because it is not double toughness Nor a ap1-2 weapon correct?

And would said models only get invo saves from Power weapon attacks correct?


Stuff i should know, but i second guess myself all the time. Any help given is more then welcome. ty much.

Arrathon wrote:So..i should know this..but honestly have never used them. What exactly happens when i used Force weapons against 2 wound models with a invo save. Save is made and they live.. OR save fails and model is insta dead due to Force weapon?

Grey Knights can activate their Nemesis Force Weapons after a save is failed or if no save can be taken. So it is exactly as you say, if the model makes is invu save, it will not die.

Also real fast question, and again i should know this 100% but, Model has 2 wounds..gets a single wound from a Power weapon..NO insta death because it is not double toughness Nor a ap1-2 weapon correct?

Correct, regular power weapons only ignore armor, no further effects, though there are tons of weapons with further effects that are power weapons in addition. For example force weapons.

And would said models only get invo saves from Power weapon attacks correct?

Correct.

Stuff i should know, but i second guess myself all the time. Any help given is more then welcome. ty much.

You're welcome

Thank you so very much. Simple stuff i should know but now i can be sure i do.

Providing the multi wound target has an invul save,the psychic test to activate your NFW will be after the first failed save.Then,they will have to be successful with however many saves remain to be made or die after another single failure.IE,my BC fails his first invun,NFW activate,he fails his second invun and is dead due to ID.PW of any description deny armour saves,only invuns allowed.I myself,doubt/second guess a lot too,thats what flgc mates are for,to help clarify stuff when in doubt.

Arrathon wrote:...Also real fast question, and again i should know this 100% but, Model has 2 wounds..gets a single wound from a Power weapon..NO insta death because it is not double toughness Nor a ap1-2 weapon correct?...

Clarification: Ap1-2 weapons have no bearing on Instant Death.

If a multi wound model, such as a Tyranid warrior (Toughness 4, 3 wounds), is hit by a plasma gun S7 AP2, he will take his one wound and continue on his way, he does not die from the AP2 shot because it was not Str Double Tough.

Pedro Kantor wrote:Providing the multi wound target has an invul save,the psychic test to activate your NFW will be after the first failed save.Then,they will have to be successful with however many saves remain to be made or die after another single failure.IE,my BC fails his first invun,NFW activate,he fails his second invun and is dead due to ID.PW of any description deny armour saves,only invuns allowed.I myself,doubt/second guess a lot too,thats what flgc mates are for,to help clarify stuff when in doubt.

Ok so..now i am lost again. if i understand what your saying here is... GK with NFW hits and wounds twice on a nob biker. Nob biker makes his invo save due to it being a power weapon. So after that i can -poof- activate FW for a additional wound? ((but if i use the FW then i cannot use Hammerhand i do believe, because isn't Activating a force weapon a psychic ability?)) Now if that force weapon hit is not saved, the nob biker is dead??

I think you're misunderstanding how they work

Grey Knight force weapons are different to normal force weapons, in that IF they pass the psychic check every unsaved wound caused by the unit causes Instant Death

So, if you have a nob biker, with cybork, and he takes ONE nemesis weapon wound, and fails his invulnerable save, he now has one wound left. You then roll for a psychic check and, if passed, that single wound he took now causes Instant Death - he loses his last wound and dies

If he takes 2 power weapons wounds, and fails both saves, he is STILL dead, but the GK player would still need to take the test if he wants to cause ID later on.

"Activating" a force weapon IS a psychic power, so if you have Mastery Level 1 you cannot use hammerhand AND your forceweapon.

Nosferatu thank you so much man, your always there to spell it out for me.

No worries.

Main reason is to remember GK NFW are a bit different to normal - they cause ID on every wound caused in that combat, and you test after the first unsaved wound is caused.