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Either with CC power:

Haemonculus with casket of flensing @ 60pts.

3 Trueborn with 2 lances @ 86pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Trueborn with 2 lances @ 86pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Trueborn with 2 lances @ 86pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

2 Beastmasters with 4x razorwing, 5x khymerea @ 144pts.

2 Beastmasters with 4x razorwing, 5x khymerea @ 144pts.

2 Beastmasters with 4x razorwing, 5x khymerea @ 144pts.

Ravager with grisly trophies @ 110pts.

Ravager with grisly trophies @ 110pts.

Ravager with grisly trophies @ 110pts.


Or with fire suppression:

Haemonculus @ 50pts.

3 Trueborn with 2 lances @ 86pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Trueborn with 2 lances @ 86pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Trueborn with 2 lances @ 86pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

6 Wracks @ 60pts.

5 Scourgers with 2x haywire blasters @ 130pts.

5 Scourgers with 2x haywire blasters @ 130pts.

5 Scourgers with 2x haywire blasters @ 130pts.

Ravager @ 105pts.

Ravager @ 105pts.

Ravager @ 105pts.

So which one do you think is better?

Unless your playing mainly infantry based armies, too many venoms not enough Dark Lances....

I like the first list better, but thats only because i like the idea of Beasts, never seen them used, not sure how well they really perform.

for the love of god...

Don't give Trueborn Dark Lances... Give them 3 Blasters instead!

Well, I think that the number of dark lances is too small as those splinter cannons bounce off.

Bloodhorror wrote:for the love of god...

Don't give Trueborn Dark Lances... Give them 3 Blasters instead!

Yeah because only moving six to be able to fire the guys inside and putting 2 killpoints within 18 inches of the enemy is so good. The dark lance trueborn are very good, I've been taking them to tournamnets for a while now and they always work good for me. They are almost too small to attract attention, most people don't shoot them untill later in the game.

The way to properly use True Born with blasters is to move them 12", dismount to get an extra couple inches, and then fire away, all in the first turn. It works very well.

Savist wrote:

Bloodhorror wrote:for the love of god...

Don't give Trueborn Dark Lances... Give them 3 Blasters instead!

Yeah because only moving six to be able to fire the guys inside and putting 2 killpoints within 18 inches of the enemy is so good. The dark lance trueborn are very good, I've been taking them to tournamnets for a while now and they always work good for me. They are almost too small to attract attention, most people don't shoot them untill later in the game.

Yeah, but your Venom has to stay stationary in order for the Trueborn to fire...?

Bloodhorror wrote:

Savist wrote:

Bloodhorror wrote:for the love of god...

Don't give Trueborn Dark Lances... Give them 3 Blasters instead!

Yeah because only moving six to be able to fire the guys inside and putting 2 killpoints within 18 inches of the enemy is so good. The dark lance trueborn are very good, I've been taking them to tournamnets for a while now and they always work good for me. They are almost too small to attract attention, most people don't shoot them untill later in the game.

Yeah, but your Venom has to stay stationary in order for the Trueborn to fire...?

If they are mounted in them, yes...

Also, how is 15 dark lances "too few"?

so now your telling me that he's taking a 65 point transport just to take 2 extra Dark Lances?

I started by playing triple blaster trueborn myself, but I've shifted away from them, towards the dark lance squads. The trueborn always have problems with the venom blowing up, and now I have some empty venoms to provide cover and pick up troops.

I'm trying to find the correct balance between venoms and dark light weaponry. I was playing 6 venoms which is a fine amount of firepower, but can't really afford to take losses. That's why next I'm thinking of overdoing it with 8 venoms. As for lances, yea I only have 15, but beastpacks can multicharger vehicles to help out, and if I pick the scourges then they help surppress. I have to say the scourges have really been great in my test games, but I'm not sure whether I should try get in some CC power.


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How about this list? It's got 21 lances now.

Haemonculus with casket of flensing, venom blade @ 65pts.

3 Trueborn with 2 lances @ 86pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Trueborn with 2 lances @ 86pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Trueborn with 2 lances @ 86pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

5 Wracks @ 50pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

3 Wracks @ 30pts.
Venom with 2x cannons @ 65pts.

5 Scourgers with 2x dark lances @ 140pts.

5 Scourgers with 2x dark lances @ 140pts.

5 Scourgers with 2x dark lances @ 140pts.

Ravager @ 105pts.

Ravager @ 105pts.

Ravager @ 105pts.

Banesword wrote:

Also, how is 15 dark lances "too few"?

I didn't see the Trueborn Dark Lances.... I kind of presumed they had blasters

The Trueborn need to be deployed outside in cover prior to the game.
The number of Venoms is impressive but they are solely anti-infantry, not anti-tank making them less useful.

wuestenfux wrote:The Trueborn need to be deployed outside in cover prior to the game.
The number of Venoms is impressive but they are solely anti-infantry, not anti-tank making them less useful.

Could you maybe continue this comment? I don't really know what you are suggesting for me to do. Is the 3rd list with d-lance scourges better? It has already 21 dark lances.

Bloodhorror wrote:so now your telling me that he's taking a 65 point transport just to take 2 extra Dark Lances?

Yes that is exactly what I do. The trueborn sit in cover, and the venom flies around by itself. The 12 shots that it can put out is your main way of killing large infantry squads at range. What makes venoms so good is that you can take them and they do not take up any of the important force org slots (elites, heavys, HQ) because they are dedicated transports.

@haizelhoff - I like that last list. I am not sure how the scourges work out with dark lances, but it might work. if I took scourges I would give them haywire blasters so I can suppress vehicles, but I think that dark lances will work fine too. The only thing I worry about is running out of area terrain. That is 18 guys that need to sit in cover or else they will be rocked by long range shooting.