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Ok so I have my deff wing bully boyz list. If youre new to this it's an all meganobz list with ghaz leading them, 4 battlewagons. Now I have 75 points left over, I can take either 5 burnas to ride with my big mek which also has a burna or I can take 5 lootas. The last few games I played I felt lootas did nothing cause I fought stuff that they could not dent. So what do you guys think?

5 burnas or 5 lootas?

I think this is a question for tactics rather than YMDC...

Crap I posted this in the wrong thing =( could it be possibly moved to the correct area!

Assuming that it will be your only squad of lootas, I think you will get more bang for your buck with the burnas

In my experience, Lootas are quite hit and miss(pun intended). Burnas on the other hand, pay for themselves every single time I field them. If you're doing a fluffy list, they fit a lot better in a close combat army than Lootas.

It are Orks, remember. Shoot, miss and throw an axe in the 'ead of your enemy. Thats pretty much how Orks fight. So, Burnas it should be. Flamers are ok and assault weapons and arent hard to use, even for Orks. So that would be shoot, hit and throw an axe in the 'ead of your enemy.

Instead of Lootas who shoot, miss and kill other boyz in the explosion that missed.

Lootas all the way giving you an option for 15 high-strength shots, with 5 hits on average.

Hi!
Usually, I field lootas, but in a mob of 10. Maybe you need some luck in the shooting phase; but they've pretty good firepower.
However if you can find the right place for them, they'd do the job.
I think only five burnas are useless... how about playing 12 of them in a wartrukk?
Burnas are a blessing for orks, because of the flame template, no roll to hit!
Of course, both the mobs are too weak in case anyone survives their attack to strike back, don't be surprised if they are dead every times at the end.

Rik

Lootaz, but only because of the number 5. Five burnaz don't do anything.

Do the burnas have a ride? Also echo the sentiment about 5 burnas not being large enough to field (though I do prefer them in BW lists).

Ordinarily I would say lootas, but in the context of your list, definitely burnas.

Since you've given them a ride, 5 burnas imo.
5 lootas sitting in backfield alone will be blasted/broken in no time at all.

do you already have some grots as an objective holder?

if not i'd say 19 grechin with 1 ruth would serve you better

that is 67 points, you said you have 75 left so thats 8 poines left for... something, perhaps a kombi weapon on a meganob or a cheap wagon upgrade.

now if you have grots already when I'd suggest lootas and have them bubblewraped in grots so they can't be assaulted.

burnas are nice but nothing the meganobs couldn't do with thier pk's and kombi flamrs (which i love)

Ratius wrote:Since you've given them a ride, 5 burnas imo.
5 lootas sitting in backfield alone will be blasted/broken in no time at all.

So? How is artillery firing at a 75 point loota unit in cover a bad thing? It's not shooting at your boyz during that turn, and if you manage to lose only one of them, you wound even have to test.

5 Lootas. Burnas are great, but 5 is not enough.

So? How is artillery firing at a 75 point loota unit in cover a bad thing? It's not shooting at your boyz during that turn, and if you manage to lose only one of them, you wound even have to test.

A couple of assumptions you made there:
A. Why would only artillary be firing at them?
B. They have/will be in cover? if they are not they become even more prone to damage.
C. Whilst 75 points is relatively cheap they still give away 1 killpoint.
D. If they take two or more casulaties, they may break, their combat effectiveness is vastly reduced or they may be wiped out.

Going by the OPs list he basically running wagon rush with KFF so anything str7 or below is wasted on the wagons. Hence the lootas are going to get targetted.

Ratius wrote:A. Why would only artillary be firing at them?

Because no unit is going to cross the board to kill them in close combat or rapid fire range.

B. They have/will be in cover? if they are not they become even more prone to damage.

If you fail to put a unit in cover that you can freely place during your deployment, that's not the unit's fault.

C. Whilst 75 points is relatively cheap they still give away 1 killpoint.

5 Burnaz cost exactly the same and give up just as many killpoints, while lootaz have a decent chance of killing a transport, 5 burnaz would even struggle against tac marines. Your point?

D. If they take two or more casulaties, they may break, their combat effectiveness is vastly reduced or they may be wiped out.

Again, how is this different from burnaz?

Going by the OPs list he basically running wagon rush with KFF so anything str7 or below is wasted on the wagons. Hence the lootas are going to get targetted.

Yeah, because every weapon in the game is assault, 72" range and your opponent may always deploys his army within charge range of any lootaz, you know? Also battlewagons are AV12 on the sides, which is the armor value S7 ist most effective against. Five burnaz will do nothing. Five lootaz might do something useful. This is not about 15 burnaz vs 15 lootaz, but five. Never field five burnaz.