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Daka,

If put a character that causes fear in with a unit that doesn't how does that interact when they get into combat or when charged from a terror causing unit?

For instance, I put Caradryan in with my Seaguard unit sometimes. Now, when they get into combat the unit that touches Caradryan must take a fear test per the BRB. If they fail their WS is reduced to 1. Now, the tricky part is this, is their WS reduced to 1 only when fighting against Caradryan (directing attacks his way) or against the Seaguard as well? It's a little something I like to call Fear lite, because unlike Stubborn, fear from a character doesn't transfer to the unit he's with.

My other question is then, if Caradryan is in with the Seaguard and a terror causing creature charges them, do they ignore the terror (having it effectively dropped to fear because of Caradryan) or do they take a terror test?

I've been playing it that the unit in CC with Caradryan and the Seaguard have WS 1 against the whole unit if they fail and that they would ignore the terror test, but I could be wrong.

What say ye?

EDIT: I just got home for lunch and checked the BRB and I may have figured this one out.

The special rules section says the following about Fear and CC.

"At the start of each close combat round, a unit that is in base contact with one or more enemy models that cause fear must take a leadership test, before any blows are struck. If the test is passed, all is well - the unit has mastered its fear, at least for now. If the test is failed, the unit's fear goes uncontrolled and the warriors cower defensively from the horror before them - all models in the unit have their weapon skill reduced to 1 for the remainder of the round of combat."

This says to me that the unit just has to come into base contact with Caradryan and then they have to take a fear test and the whole unit goes to WS 1 for that round of combat if they fail even if they strike against the Seaguard.

As for the Terror question, it seems that the unit has to be made up entirely of fear causing models to be immune to the terror test when charged.

Case solved?

the unit's WS drops to 1 for all purposes.

Fear doesn't transfer but the benifit from your enemy cowering in fear does.


the enemy is so worried about the fear causer their minds arn't on the fight in front of them.

if a Terror charger charges them, they won't have to take a test as they will be using Caradryan's Ld characteristics and he isn't effected by Terror(reducing it to fear)

My one question on the terror test is that is says a unit must be entirely comprised of fear causing models to be immune to the test.

But I do agree with you on the CC question.

yeah, so it looks like the unit will still have to take the Terror test when charged.

if they make it into combat then they also have to take the fear test. they may use the Character's Ld as normal.

if they fail the test the Character suffers as normal unless he is immune to Terror/Fear.


so the character you mentioned wouldn't be affected if they were fighting something that caused Fear, even if they failed, but would be affected if the enemy caused Terror.

so Fear causing characters in non-fear causing units won't stop their unit from running away if they fail the test and will run away with them.



this actually seems like you don't want to be putting your Fear causers in non-fear causing units.

Except that they could drop the entire enemy unit to WS 1 courtesy of failing fear against your character. I pulled this off once (and only once) when cav charged a unit containing my BSB with his little flaming hammer.

Speaking of flaming weapons causing fear, I just re-read the rules on it and flaming weapons cause fear on things like beasts, cavalry, and chariots or something. So, that 10 pt banner of eternal flame is pretty nice twice over.

the bigger question is,

"does the Flaming banner make the enemy take a fear test if the said Cavelry, Chariot, or warbeast causes fear itself?"

does it make you immune to the fear said enemy unit causes?

Yes. In the situation you describe, both units cause fear. Thus neither must take a fear test.

Also for fearing flames, the FAQ said ranged attacks and spells count too.

So a guy with the Ruby Ring of Ruin causes fear to those units, just by carrying the ring?

Yep - obviously hes slightly smokey....


First person to model one as the Mask gets extra points

I'd do it for my slaughtermaster, but he already causes Fear

Grey Templar wrote:So a guy with the Ruby Ring of Ruin causes fear to those units, just by carrying the ring?

Yes so would wizards with any flaming attack spells (and boy are those many).
In a side note bretonnian archers with braziers cause fear too, a nice way to keep them a (very little) bit safer from many fast cav.