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So...
I thought of this the other night while forming my list.

In my Ork army, my lootas cannot move and shoot because of their heavy guns correct?
What if I place them into an open top trukk? The open top would allow them to shoot out and technically they wouldn't be moving, the trukk would.

I'm pretty sure moving the trukk would still count as moving the unit since the unit would be inside of the trukk but neither ruling for heavy weapons or transport vehicles makes a mention of this concept. But this idea caused quite the debate in my gaming group, so much so that it wasn't decided upon whether or not my lootas could in fact shoot and move when in a trukk, instead I just threw a group of boys in there and called it good.

So yea, would a loota group be allowed to both move and shoot when stationed in a trukk since the group its self isn't on foot and moving?

units in a vehicle can fire if it has moved 6 inches or less. They can never shoot heavy weapons (or in rapid fire mode) if the vehicle has moved at all. Guns in an open topped vehicle can still be quite useful though, drive up to a nice killy range, stop the vehicle and really let loose.

If units are in a vehicle and the vehicle moves then it's obvious that they move. It's like saying you're in a car and the car is moving and you say you're not .

I can't see why it would cause debate in your gaming group when it says black and white in the rules you cannot shoot heavy weaps when the vehicle moves, doesn't anyway read the rulebook there?

Lootas are safer on foot in cover than paper thin trukk anyway.

My friend stuffs them in a barebones Battlewagon, that 14AV front armour is an annoyance. I try my best to just ignore them they are only a threat against 12AV vehicles.

^ seems liek a waste of a BW when you could have the lootas in cover and a BW w/ deff rolla running around ramming anything

I think a base battlewagon is relatively cheap and it is very handy if a dawn of war game is rolled so that it can move to a decent location to begin firing on the next turn. Depending on scenery a Dawn of War game could leave his lootas in the wide open. That just one reason he gave me of the top of my head.

They'd count as moving if the vehicle moves - but Lootas shooting from an immobile Battlewagon is a trick some Ork players use to keep 'em safe.

I've tried Lootas in a Battlewagon and it doesn't work. You're adding 90 points at least onto the Battlewagon and you cannot always get LOS as not in a elevated position. If you cannot draw LOS means moving and not firing for a turn. In DoW deployment Lootas cannot shoot walking on anyway to makes no difference. Best thing to do is run them into terrain and setup there. A bare bones Battlewagon is a transport not a firing bunker and if you invest more points into that Battlewagon it just makes those Lootas cost even more.

A battlewagon is used because it acts as your firepoint which you can position. Terrain is not (or should not) be in your control. You cannot gaurentee elevation or even a strategically good area to fire from that grants a nice cover save. The reason a bare bones BW is used is to simply place it where you feel will give you the best coverage whilst keeping the Lootas inside safe from massed long range fire from missile launchers etc etc etc.

Some people do not like paying extra for the added Loota security. Some people don't view lootas as important enough aspect to 'their' game preferring to concentrate there points elsewhere. However theres no denying that its a valid tactics that will either force your opponent to concentrate and allocate units that are capable of getting in close to kill it or to completely ignore it.

I don't play as Orks personally but most players that I have played against use this tactic to good effect.

The reason I wanted them in the trukk is because it would be easier to move them into line of sight. I've had more then one occasion where my lootas couldn't get to a target right away so it took them two turns or more just to round a piece of terrain. The idea I had with the trukk was to move them into position faster, shoot, then move them out.
But with them moving when the trukk moves I can still see how this will help because even if the trukk is a mobile piñata its still slightly harder to kill then a bare bones loota.

7DSins wrote:The reason I wanted them in the trukk is because it would be easier to move them into line of sight. I've had more then one occasion where my lootas couldn't get to a target right away so it took them two turns or more just to round a piece of terrain. The idea I had with the trukk was to move them into position faster, shoot, then move them out.
But with them moving when the trukk moves I can still see how this will help because even if the trukk is a mobile piñata its still slightly harder to kill then a bare bones loota.

in a trukk i'd argue they are much less safe than in terrain...

if they blow up your av10 vehicle which pretty much anything has a chance against AV10 .. and they have a 1 in 3 chance to have to take hits and pinning tests.. or just be left out in the open after the transport blows up

nortice we are weighing the pros and cons in a battle wagon. a trukk simply doesn't have enough AV to make a good argument for the strategy. not in a battlewagon some peopel liek the added protection, some don't I personally have never tried it... but i'd have to be fielding 15 lootas to justify the points or possibly 12 lootas and a kill kannon for lots of dakka .. hmm now i wanna try this i already have this weekends list but maybe the next weekend

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i don't have my codex here at work today (i usually bring em in my backpack btu that is in the car) but if i'm not mistaken a group of lootas can't even take a trukk can they? i mena short of giving it to boys hten jumping the boys out and the lootas jumping in it which would eat up a turn ...

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also shouldn't this be in tactics not army lists... i don't see an army list by the op