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So I was looking at my GK codex yesterday and I had a few questions. I apologize if I can't provide page numbers and don't get exact wording 100% correct; I'm at work and don't have the codex with me.

Background Information:

There are a few rules such a psybolt ammunition, psyflame ammunition, and the GKGM's Grand Strategy that all provide a particular bonus or attribute to an entire squad. These are either upgrades you hand to a unit when building your list, or they're attributes you apply before deployment. During deployment, you choose whether you can combat squad. Each new unit is treated as a separate unit from this point on.

My premise:

I believe that each squad gets the ability or upgrade. The reason I believe this is the key words (which are in the CS rule) "separate unit from this point on". They weren't a separate unit as of being given the upgrade, so they all got the upgrade. However anything that happens to them now counts as affecting a squad independent of the other.

Is this right? Wrong? Aardvark?

I'm not sure I follow the question, what are you asking?

Yes, you buy the psybolt ammo, as per the squad rules. At deployment, you combat-squad to 2 CSs. You have 2 5-man squads with psybolt ammo instead of 1 10-man.

Is that what you're asking?

Basically. Since it's not the same squad, but two separate squads, does the psybolt ammunition, or GS for that matter, carry over to each separate squad?

Buying upgrades is before the game. Deployment is at the beginning of the game, you won't change anything about your list at that point. There is no reason why combat squadding would take away any upgrade or rule that affects every model you bought.

Okay, that's what I figured. Opponent just planted the seed of doubt is all. Thanks.

yeah, the unit splits at deployment and retains all upgrades they get when they split. aside from any weapons which are in the squad they are in.

If you buy a squad of ten marines they are one unit.

You buy the squad an upgrade, all ten get it.

You split them into two units using the combat squad rules. They are still a squad, they still have their upgrades.

Squad and Unit do not mean the same thing.

Actually it does mean the same thing, as per BRB pg.3.

I'm at a lack of a better wording tough right now, the point you're making is right.

Except that there are many cases where it clearly doesn't.

A "Tactical Squad" is still a single "Tactical Squad" even when split into two units.

Page 3 does not say that squad equals unit and unit equals squad. It just says that warriors tend to form groups (which may in some circumstances be called squads or other names) and those groups are represented by units.

Think about it this way. In a normal SM squad you've gotta have 10 dudes to take a heavy weapon. Then you combat squad it and it doesn't have 10 dudes anymore so it can't have the ML? See how rediculous that sounds?

Scott-S6 wrote:Except that there are many cases where it clearly doesn't.

A "Tactical Squad" is still a single "Tactical Squad" even when split into two units.

Page 3 does not say that squad equals unit and unit equals squad. It just says that warriors tend to form groups (which may in some circumstances be called squads or other names) and those groups are represented by units.

That's because "Tactical Squad" is a name of a unit entry, which is just a name, and would not impact the game one bit if changed to "Band of Smurfs".

Jidmah wrote:That's because "Tactical Squad" is a name of a unit entry, which is just a name, and would not impact the game one bit if changed to "Band of Smurfs".

Exactly. "Squad" is just a name and P3 makes this clear. "unit" is a term defined by the rules.

Ah, I see what you meant now.