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Yesterday I played my first game as Necrons and I was unsure about a situation that arose.

A squad of warriors was joined to a destroyer lord with a resorb. All the warriors fell over and the lord was down to one wound.

Now the lord ended up making all the saves he needed for the rest of my opponents turn, but let's say he didn't. Would the warriors get WBB still or just the lord?

My understanding based on the codex and faq would that all the warriors WOULD get WBB. I'm basing this on the fact that you check for range to a res orb from the unit at the time they fall over, not in the next turn when you start making the rolls. Is this correct?

A Res orb simply allows you to take wbb against power weapons and ID causing wounds.

You can only make wbb if you have necrons of the same type within 6" (or tomb spyder within 12", etc) - from the situation you described there were NO models left standing, so Res orb or no, no wbb can be made - assuming no spyder around.

i always played thagt if the lord passed the WBB then the unit could use his wargear , as he is still on the table. if not then they couldn't

i may be wrong but i believe the Lord has to be on the table at the start of his next turn.

his turn starts, effectively, when you finish yours. it doesnt start just with movement and so if his Lord is down at this then his warriors wouldn't get their rolls unless within 6" of another unit or Tomb Spyder. So although the Lord is on the table it isn't really 'in play' until it gets up, but by then its after the start of the turn. i may be wrong though. i regularly fight a necron player but i don't really pay much attention to this as it hurts too much when they all get back up

As I pointed out: in this situation NO warriors will get wbb, as the entire unit has been downed.

Read the necron FAQ which then covers es orb timing.

Noseferatu, good call but I have a follow up.

Let's use the case that actually happened where the Lord survived but all the warriors fell over.

Since the Lord was part of a their unit, does that make any impact on their entire unit being destroyed (do they cease to be the same unit at this time and thus lose their opportunity for WBB?).

In effect, yes. Without another sqaud or tomb spyder, they die like everything else.

morgendonner wrote:Noseferatu, good call but I have a follow up.

Let's use the case that actually happened where the Lord survived but all the warriors fell over.

Since the Lord was part of a their unit, does that make any impact on their entire unit being destroyed (do they cease to be the same unit at this time and thus lose their opportunity for WBB?).

The Lord's surviving or not surviving is completely irrelevant to whether or not the Warriors are eligible for WBB. What is relevant is whether or not there are any like models (Warriors) within 6" of the downed models or the aforementioned tomb spyder within 12" with another unit of Warriors anywhere on the table. The Lord's presence does NOT grant WBB to Warriors, all he can do (through the orb) is negate power weapon/instant death type weapons from disallowing WBB. To reiterate. There needs to be a like model, in this case a Warrior, within 6" of the damaged mode or a tomb spyder within 12" and another warrior unit on the table for the damaged models to be eligible for WBB. And it's on a model by model basis, so if only 5 out of 10 downed models are within 6" of a 'living' model, then only those 5 get WBB.

So to clarify, him joining the unit has no effect when determining if the whole unit was destroyed?

"Self repair ability only works if the wounded Necron is within 6" of another model of the same type, although not necessarily of the same unit... it may still self repair if there is both a Tomb Spyder within 12" and another model of the same type on the battlefield."

pg 13 Codex Necrons



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so if the whole unit is down, BUT falls into one of the two categories mentioned above, they get their WBB roll.

King Pariah wrote:"Self repair ability only works if the wounded Necron is within 6" of another model of the same type, although not necessarily of the same unit... it may still self repair if there is both a Tomb Spyder within 12" and another model of the same type on the battlefield."

pg 13 Codex Necrons



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so if the whole unit is down, BUT falls into one of the two categories mentioned above, they get their WBB roll.

But is the whole unit down if the IC that is joined to the unit is still standing? Do they stop being a joined unit once every warrior become damaged?

morgendonner wrote:

King Pariah wrote:"Self repair ability only works if the wounded Necron is within 6" of another model of the same type, although not necessarily of the same unit... it may still self repair if there is both a Tomb Spyder within 12" and another model of the same type on the battlefield."

pg 13 Codex Necrons



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so if the whole unit is down, BUT falls into one of the two categories mentioned above, they get their WBB roll.

But is the whole unit down if the IC that is joined to the unit is still standing? Do they stop being a joined unit once the warriors become damaged?

Yes, the lord is NOT a warrior.

Kevin949 wrote:Yes, the lord is NOT a warrior.

I totally get that, no problem with that. Just curious on the definition of the entire unit being damaged.

Caledor wrote:i always played thagt if the lord passed the WBB then the unit could use his wargear , as he is still on the table. if not then they couldn't

Garviel wrote:i may be wrong but i believe the Lord has to be on the table at the start of his next turn.

his turn starts, effectively, when you finish yours. it doesnt start just with movement and so if his Lord is down at this then his warriors wouldn't get their rolls unless within 6" of another unit or Tomb Spyder. So although the Lord is on the table it isn't really 'in play' until it gets up, but by then its after the start of the turn. i may be wrong though. i regularly fight a necron player but i don't really pay much attention to this as it hurts too much when they all get back up

You test for res orb range when the wound is taken, not when you make your WBB roll. This is why it's important to take out the lord first in CC if you use a lot of power weapons.


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morgendonner wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:Yes, the lord is NOT a warrior.

I totally get that, no problem with that. Just curious on the definition of the entire unit being damaged.

That's just it though, since the lord is not a warrior it does not matter if he is part of the squad or not because he does not allow the warriors to WBB if they are all wiped out. There has to be at least 1 living warrior in the squad, within 6" from another squad, or anywhere on the table with a tomb spyder within 12" of the downed squad.

The lord is still a separate unit even though he's joined to the warriors, they are still their own squad.

morgendonner wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:Yes, the lord is NOT a warrior.

I totally get that, no problem with that. Just curious on the definition of the entire unit being damaged.

The lord is part of the unit, so the Unit (Warriors + Lord) is still around

However, this has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING on WBB, and whether you get to make it, at all.

WBB is looking for ANY like model within 6", the lord is not a like model as it is not a warrior

morgendonner wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:Yes, the lord is NOT a warrior.

I totally get that, no problem with that. Just curious on the definition of the entire unit being damaged.

? Who cares? It doesn't matter. All that matters is whether or not there is a like model (WARRIOR!!) within 6".
Forget the frikkin' Lord, he is irrelevant. Is there some reason you keep asking about the Lord? If so, spell it out for us.

I believe, don, that he is under the impression the orb will allow WBB in any situation and/or that he believes the lord is part of the squad and since the "entire" squad isn't down they'd get WBB.

Which are both incorrect. He's a new player to crons though so cut him some slack, many seasoned players get confused by the WBB rule.

Hey, innocent mistake, I did it too for about a month and a half until another Necron player corrected me on it.