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I was about to jump into 40K (tyranids) until the price jump, now I think I will head this way instead. I like the different dynamics of how the power (fury and I forget the warmachine one) are allocated and how it differs between the games. This has me interested in buy a hordes army and a warmachine army to be able to experience both dynamics.

My favorite armies based purely on look are Legion and Cryx but I've seen both armies described as being a glass canon. So if this is true, will there be enough difference in playstyle between the two or would I be better off with a second choice army on either side (trolls/Khador) instead of taking Legion and Cryx if they play similar.

Also, I am curious as to army composition. I know it is common for a hordes army to use more warbeasts than a warmachine army to use warjacks but do all armies use a similar make up of war beasts/jacks to infantry? The videos I have watched on the games so far make the infantry look like fodder. Is there a faction that benefits from a more infantry-heavy build or a faction with especially weak infantry? How about solos? Same question.

Thanks.

It's all about the caster/warlock. I play Khador and there is a vast difference between building a list for pButcher or pIrusk. For Butcher I tend to use 3 Jacks in a 25 point game while for Irusk I will usually only use 1 in a 35 point game. Butcher's spell list is more geared to Jacks while Irusk's feat and spells are more geared to infantry.

The above is purely my opinion and should not be taken for anything other than opinion.

Yeah, leo hit it right on the head. Every faction has a stable of warcasters (locks for hordes) and each one has its own playstyle. Every faction has atleast one infantry and one jack/beast caster. As far as legion and cryx goes I play both. And yes they are both glass cannons but I find that they still play differntly enough that they are not like playing the same faction.
That's my 2 cents, take it or leave it.

Hordes generally has at least two or three beasts since you have to have them to generate fury. Any loss of beasts means you are losing fury generation.

Any faction can work in either light or heavy infantry modes to be honest.

Cryx will have you cackling evilly as you steeple your fingers whispering "Excellent!"

Legion will have you cackling maniacally as you watch your sharks with lasers tear someone apart

Yeah, Cryx is more about trickery, debuffs and spell slinging while Legion is more of rocket propelled glass hammer. Also Cryx usually is infantry heavy (there are exceptions though, for example Master Necrotech Mortenebra can run almost jack only list better than any other warcaster in the game IMO) while Legion really loves its beasts. Also Legion beasts can be pretty damn tough, it's has reputation as fragile due to low model count. Cryx on the other hand can have ton of models models, but it's warjacks are quite flimsy.

Both factions have a good amount of offense bent to them, but go about delivering offense in different ways.

Cryx is more about weakening and softening-up your opponent with spells, debuffs and such. Their infantry hits very hard, but not really accurately without some buffs, but when they do hit, stuff tends to die. Most of their undead stuff have means by which to regenerate their units, and so while easy to hit, and sometimes to kill, they tend to take work to kill a lot of.

The "glass cannon" factor comes from their warjacks. They tend to be fast, accurate, and harder to hit, but on the flipside have less boxes then other warjacks and lower armor. This applies to the "Slayer-chasis" warjacks (humanoid ones) and most their bonejacks. The exceptions seem to be theiir Leviathon-style crabjacks, the Cankerworm, and the Deathjack, which have more wounds, armor and better damage grid. In all cases save for the non-character lights, they hit hard though, but are more a support role for the army.

In my experience, Cryx tends to run warjacks as support roles. They crack opponent heavy warjacks and warbeasts, or are used for their arc nodes if they have one. There are casters wh osupport more heavies, however, and these ones will in turn use them more as a focus of their army, but infantry support is a good way to go wtih them.

Cryx, as a few other notes, tends to have higher magic ratings on their warcasters (average 7), very little in-faction range outside of some solos, and save for Denegrah, theirw arcasters tend to have pretty good statlines and survivability (15/16 is the most commons pread there.)

Legion of Everblight I tend to describe as a "blitzkrieg" army. Their general strategy is to get first strike, and break the opponent's back as soon as possible, either fading out if they can or making it so that nothing can really deal with what's there if things go right. Their army tends to be fast, with a lot of Pathfinder and ability to ignore many effects for LOS.

Every Legion warlock has some means to increase one or more warbeast's ability to hit or ability to hurt or both. This is either via straight-up buffs to stats, or to debuffs. Most their beasts tend to have more DEF, but less ARM and wounds. The exception is the Carivean-style hexapod beasts, which tend to have lower DEF but good ARM and wounds. Legion warbeasts usually do need the provided buffs to hit by their casters to go after most things that aren't other warbeasts. Their damage output is pretty high, though, going with the theme.

Legion infantry tends to be very specialized. They usually do just shooting, just melee, or something similar. Lots of it is fast, has Stealth, and is very self-sufficient. THey have very few infantry-buffs in faction, so tend to (i notice) do better with a bit beast-heavy and support focus. That said, they can do infantry, just not as much a chunk of it and will run more heavies by a good amount hten say, Cryx.

Legion is weird on magic department. They have some low-fury warlocks, but they are very effecient and able to put things in the dirt with support. Their high-fury warlocks don't really cast offensive spells as much, but more support their backlines (save Bethayne, I find.) Their stats are a bit more fragile then Cryx, but again, they tend to be faster, most all can fight, and they also have access to good defnesive buffs.

Lot more to them, but that' swhat comes to my mind on the differences. Cryx is more about having finesse to deliver a grenade. They also have good attrition and ability to overwhelm. Legion, by contrast, is about trying to deliver chainsaws to your opponent's kneecaps early as possible and then breaking what you can while minimizing what you sacrifice in the process.

Sorry for rant. Hope this helps.

Thanks for the answers everyone.

What's the metal to plastic ratio. I'd rather stick to plastic if I could. One thing I do like about Warhammer is all of the packages state on the site if they are metal or plastic. Not so on PP's site.

I'm assuming the starters for Legion and Cryx are both plastic. Am I correct in assuming most Cryx Jacks are plastic? How about units/casters?


How about on the hordes side? I've heard the Hordes line is much more metal heavy than the Warmachine.

True?

Thanks.

Time 2 Roll wrote:What's the metal to plastic ratio. I'd rather stick to plastic if I could. One thing I do like about Warhammer is all of the packages state on the site if they are metal or plastic. Not so on PP's site.

Here: The Warstore, Warmachine

PP doesn't stock their kits in their online store other than the Battleboxes. Check out the Warstore to see what is available from them right now. The kits that are plastic are marked.

Time 2 Roll wrote:Thanks for the answers everyone.

What's the metal to plastic ratio. I'd rather stick to plastic if I could. One thing I do like about Warhammer is all of the packages state on the site if they are metal or plastic. Not so on PP's site.

PP stuff is metal unless it says otherwise. This means that if it doesn'te explicitly say its plastic, its metal.

Time 2 Roll wrote:I'm assuming the starters for Legion and Cryx are both plastic. Am I correct in assuming most Cryx Jacks are plastic? How about units/casters?

The starter for Cryx was switched to plastic last year (the one that looks liek what they have on the site with package design is the plastic one). There are currently only rumors of a Legion plastic box. There is no current hard facts on it and the current box is metal.

The current models are available plastic for Cryx:
- Slayer/Corruptor/Reaper heavy warjack kit.
- Ripjaw light warjack box.

And a couple other light warjack kits I don't remember. But all the rest fo Cryx (the other casters, Leviathon-chasis warjacks, Seethers, the Deathjack, all its infantry, ect.) are metal.

Time 2 Roll wrote:How about on the hordes side? I've heard the Hordes line is much more metal heavy than the Warmachine.

Hordes has a total of two plastic kits. The Legion Warspears and the Trollblood Fennblades. Warmachine and Hordes are, for the vast majoirty of the line, metal. Due to issues with the plastic models meeting quality and production quality, new plastics are also currently up in the air, as some newer releases which woudl of normally been plastic (Ogrun Assault Crew, Skinwalkers) were not, and there were models that were MIA over a year due to this (Khador has yet to see one of the units in their Forces book due to this.)

Time 2 Roll wrote:...
Thanks.

Welcome.

And stuff.

Hey there!

If you're going to roll Cryx, here's some steps to becoming a great Warmachine player!

The 4 steps for any Cryx player:

1. Assemble models.
2. Play game.
3. Win.
4. Begin another army, as your friends and fellow gamers no longer wish to play against you.



In all seriousness, don't worry about Cryx or Legion being glass hammers. Both have the ability to tear apart anything they touch before any sort of retaliation comes back at them. Cryx even has some Warcasters - coughTERMINUScough - that will happily chew their way through infantry.

Unfortunately, much of the range is still metal. Warjacks (and starter set warcasters) have been getting some plastiresin kits, but for the most part everything is metal.

Fun fact:

Cryx is Legion's Nemesis xD For that reason alone I will never buy a Cryx model Even though eGaspy looks so awesome ._.

Legion may ignore rules, but:

There is a fine line between playing by the rules and cheating. Cryx walks the line like a pro.

In addition, some of us like to end the game with more models than we started with...

Sanctjud wrote:Legion may ignore rules, but:

There is a fine line between playing by the rules and cheating. Cryx walks the line like a pro.

In addition, some of us like to end the game with more models than we started with...

Cryx doesn't just walk the line. It tangos up and down all by itself. And speaking of cheating, Cryx doesn't even need two to tango! How unfair is that?

Cryx aren't as nasty as people say. There are loads of similarly infuriating abilities that other factions get.


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Soladrin wrote:Fun fact:

Cryx is Legion's Nemesis xD For that reason alone I will never buy a Cryx model Even though eGaspy looks so awesome ._.

Yes and no. Goreshade and Thagrosh have worked together. But yes everblight and Toruk would very much like to kill eachother

Cryx is my favored and biggest army at over 200 points. However I've also got 80 points of Legion as they have dragons, and lets face it dragons are cool