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So every one talks about the Grey Knights going to town on some SoB and bathing in their blood and all that. Can someone with the codex post a legible and semi detailed explanation of what really went on in that battle. Please do not use power adjectives unless they are included in the text...

IE...
The Grey Knights exterminated the SoB.

Your imagination...
The Grey Knights mercilessly ravaged the innocent SoB team and then played tiddlywinks with their helmets.

Thanks!

There wasn't a battle.

The GK killed the SoB. That's all it says.

Come cultists summoned a daemonic thing called the Bloodtide. What the Bloodtide did is slightly uncertain but it wasn't nice.
On the planet was an order of Sister of Battle. Some of the Sisters (Or all can't remember) managed to resist the Bloodtide through the power of their faith presumably.
The GK turn up having heard of this incident and after examining the situation they feel they need to be further protected.
To further protect themselves they kill the Sisters of battle (It doesn't say how willing they were in this) and us their blood in a ceremony/ritual to shield themselves from the Bloodtide.

The reason people have problems with this are thus:
1) GK have always been incorruptible, none have ever fallen to Chaos. This has always been a strong part of their fluff and one of peoples most favoured aspects of them.
2) Many people dislike the fact that the SoB are used as a kicking post for many factions.
3) The Bloodtide was linked to the Chaos god Khorne. Killing you allies (No matter how willing) and then using their blood to protect yourself against corruption seems less like fighting fire with fire and more like fighting fire by setting yourself on fire.

If any of this is unclear or needs explaining ask me to explain it.

Purple,

I think you explained every thing for me. I now completely understand. Is the GK codex completely new or are their previous editions? That is my only other question.

This current one is the newest codex.
There are previous one but they are called Daemonhunters not Grey Knights.

There have been previous editions, under the title 'Daemonhunters' which had less of a concentration on the Grey Knights and more on the Inquisition as a whole.

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SilverStar wrote:Purple,

I think you explained every thing for me. I now completely understand. Is the GK codex completely new or are their previous editions? That is my only other question.

They've been around in one form or another since Rogue Trader days, they were part of an inquisition codex in 3rd edition (Daemon Hunters) and then got their own in 5th.

Well played KK...
Well played.

purplefood wrote:Come cultists summoned a daemonic thing called the Bloodtide. What the Bloodtide did is slightly uncertain but it wasn't nice.
On the planet was an order of Sister of Battle. Some of the Sisters (Or all can't remember) managed to resist the Bloodtide through the power of their faith presumably.
The GK turn up having heard of this incident and after examining the situation they feel they need to be further protected.
To further protect themselves they kill the Sisters of battle (It doesn't say how willing they were in this) and us their blood in a ceremony/ritual to shield themselves from the Bloodtide.

The reason people have problems with this are thus:
1) GK have always been incorruptible, none have ever fallen to Chaos. This has always been a strong part of their fluff and one of peoples most favoured aspects of them.
2) Many people dislike the fact that the SoB are used as a kicking post for many factions.
3) The Bloodtide was linked to the Chaos god Khorne. Killing you allies (No matter how willing) and then using their blood to protect yourself against corruption seems less like fighting fire with fire and more like fighting fire by setting yourself on fire.

If any of this is unclear or needs explaining ask me to explain it.

In addition, Sisters have also been incorruptible. Quote from the original 2nd ed Sisters of Battle codex:

"A sign of the Sisters strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the prince of chaos' greatest warriors."

While there's other novels and comics that contradict it, the Sisters of Battle codex is more canon than the rest. It's disappointing that Mat Ward takes a dump on it just to bloat is fanatical belief in Grey Knights. I feel GW have lost interest in consistent fluff, letting Mat Ward do whatever he wants.

purplefood wrote:Come cultists summoned a daemonic thing called the Bloodtide. What the Bloodtide did is slightly uncertain but it wasn't nice.
On the planet was an order of Sister of Battle. Some of the Sisters (Or all can't remember) managed to resist the Bloodtide through the power of their faith presumably.
The GK turn up having heard of this incident and after examining the situation they feel they need to be further protected.
To further protect themselves they kill the Sisters of battle (It doesn't say how willing they were in this) and us their blood in a ceremony/ritual to shield themselves from the Bloodtide.

The reason people have problems with this are thus:
1) GK have always been incorruptible, none have ever fallen to Chaos. This has always been a strong part of their fluff and one of peoples most favoured aspects of them.
2) Many people dislike the fact that the SoB are used as a kicking post for many factions.
3) The Bloodtide was linked to the Chaos god Khorne. Killing you allies (No matter how willing) and then using their blood to protect yourself against corruption seems less like fighting fire with fire and more like fighting fire by setting yourself on fire.

If any of this is unclear or needs explaining ask me to explain it.

Mat Wards words 'The Grey Knights are super-pragmatists. They will do anything to achieve their goals and protect their secrecy. No sacrifice - and I mean no sacrifice - is too great..... (talks about their secrecy and myth)..... a Grey Knight Grand Master will think nothing of declaring thousands, even millions, of innocent dead in order to protect that secret. They are not doing it out of malice but because such acts will eventually save billions. By the same token, if slaying their Battle Sister allies provides the pure blood needed to enact a banishing ritual against Warp-spawn, then a Justicar may well order it.'

Most people have issue with the use of the Sisters blood in a ritual, and things have been blown massively out of proportion due to mis-interpretation of the actual passage, something which will never be remedied now.

purplefood wrote:1) GK have always been incorruptible, none have ever fallen to Chaos. This has always been a strong part of their fluff and one of peoples most favoured aspects of them.

People have, however, built up the idea that they are incorruptible purely through their own manly machismo out of whole cloth.

In this particular example, they encountered a daemonic influence that corrupted everything it touched... and were not corrupted, because they took steps to prevent that from happening.

No problem there.

2) Many people dislike the fact that the SoB are used as a kicking post for many factions.

Not a problem in and of itself. Space Marines use every other Imperial faction as a kicking post. And Grey Knights are just uber-Space Marines.

3) The Bloodtide was linked to the Chaos god Khorne. Killing you allies (No matter how willing) and then using their blood to protect yourself against corruption seems less like fighting fire with fire and more like fighting fire by setting yourself on fire.

That's purely down to point of view, since none of us have really spent any great amount of time studying the Warp and how to defend ourselves against the forces that use it... But to my layman's brain, using the blood of the pure to protect against the Blood God makes at least as much sense as the Dark Eldar using the pain of others to keep Slaanesh away.

insaniak wrote:

purplefood wrote:1) GK have always been incorruptible, none have ever fallen to Chaos. This has always been a strong part of their fluff and one of peoples most favoured aspects of them.

People have, however, built up the idea that they are incorruptible purely through their own manly machismo out of whole cloth.

In this particular example, they encountered a daemonic influence that corrupted everything it touched... and were not corrupted, because they took steps to prevent that from happening.

No problem there.

2) Many people dislike the fact that the SoB are used as a kicking post for many factions.

Not a problem in and of itself. Space Marines use every other Imperial faction as a kicking post. And Grey Knights are just uber-Space Marines.

3) The Bloodtide was linked to the Chaos god Khorne. Killing you allies (No matter how willing) and then using their blood to protect yourself against corruption seems less like fighting fire with fire and more like fighting fire by setting yourself on fire.

That's purely down to point of view, since none of us have really spent any great amount of time studying the Warp and how to defend ourselves against the forces that use it... But to my layman's brain, using the blood of the pure to protect against the Blood God makes at least as much sense as the Dark Eldar using the pain of others to keep Slaanesh away.

I agree with you on pretty much all those points.


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SabrX wrote:

purplefood wrote:Come cultists summoned a daemonic thing called the Bloodtide. What the Bloodtide did is slightly uncertain but it wasn't nice.
On the planet was an order of Sister of Battle. Some of the Sisters (Or all can't remember) managed to resist the Bloodtide through the power of their faith presumably.
The GK turn up having heard of this incident and after examining the situation they feel they need to be further protected.
To further protect themselves they kill the Sisters of battle (It doesn't say how willing they were in this) and us their blood in a ceremony/ritual to shield themselves from the Bloodtide.

The reason people have problems with this are thus:
1) GK have always been incorruptible, none have ever fallen to Chaos. This has always been a strong part of their fluff and one of peoples most favoured aspects of them.
2) Many people dislike the fact that the SoB are used as a kicking post for many factions.
3) The Bloodtide was linked to the Chaos god Khorne. Killing you allies (No matter how willing) and then using their blood to protect yourself against corruption seems less like fighting fire with fire and more like fighting fire by setting yourself on fire.

If any of this is unclear or needs explaining ask me to explain it.

In addition, Sisters have also been incorruptible. Quote from the original 2nd ed Sisters of Battle codex:

"A sign of the Sisters strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the prince of chaos' greatest warriors."

While there's other novels and comics that contradict it, the Sisters of Battle codex is more canon than the rest. It's disappointing that Mat Ward takes a dump on it just to bloat is fanatical belief in Grey Knights. I feel GW have lost interest in consistent fluff, letting Mat Ward do whatever he wants.

Sister's haven't always been incorruptable.
There are a few examples of them falling and another couple of them becomming radicals.

Another issue is that the passage itself shows a support of violence towards women, which is not a positive topic by any means.

SJ

Violence of any kind is never a positive subject. The biggest problem was the whole idea of the SoB letting themselves be slaughtered, though it does sound like the whole Martyr thing they do it does seem a little unnecessary...

jeffersonian000 wrote:Another issue is that the passage itself shows a support of violence towards women, which is not a positive topic by any means.

It does nothing of the sort. It depicts violence against other soldiers. The fact that they are women is completely irrelevant.


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purplefood wrote: The biggest problem was the whole idea of the SoB letting themselves be slaughtered,

Whether or not they approved of the idea would have probably had little impact on the outcome...

Not a problem in and of itself. Space Marines use every other Imperial faction as a kicking post. And Grey Knights are just uber-Space Marines.

Sisters fluff is basically just consists of a non-stop barrage of "Sisters get killed in droves by whatever faction happens to be the protagonist of this story".

Even Orks and Tyranids get better press.

"A sign of the Sisters strength is the fact that in their entire history only a single sister, Miriael Sabathiel, has fallen to the lure of Chaos. How Miriael fell is unknown, only that she was turned from the Emperor's light to Slaanesh worship, and now serves as one of the prince of chaos' greatest warriors."

.

I wonder how she fell, Oh wait I know it has to deal with japanese anime and tentacles most likely...

Anyway the battle was very sexist in my opinion as the sisters of battle were just used as targets for weapons.

Once again, the fact that they're women is irrelevant. The use of the Sisters of Battle is in no way an attempt to be sexist.

iproxtaco wrote:Once again, the fact that they're women is irrelevant. The use of the Sisters of Battle is in no way an attempt to be sexist.

trolololololololollololololololol

What?

jeffersonian000 wrote:Another issue is that the passage itself shows a support of violence towards women, which is not a positive topic by any means.

SJ

Bro, 40K is a setting about violence against everyone. The Sisters were used in this passage because they are renowned for their faith and miracle working, not because they are women.

Asherian Command wrote:
trolololololololollololololololol

You don't say.

I just don't see how smothering blood on armor and weapons protects you from Chaos, yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Cheesecat wrote:I just don't see how smothering blood on armor and weapons protects you from Chaos, yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Not gonna dispute the sense-making part, as I just find the whole concept nauseating, but it wasn't just smeared on, it was used as part of a mixture involving other sacred materials, which was then used to anoint the Grey Knights' weapons and armor. The blood was used because Sisters of Battle, while not totally incorruptible, are by and large some of the Emperor's most faithful warriors, and this makes their blood innocent, and thus more useful than anyone else's blood.

Read this if you think Matt Ward can't write...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083661/

Cheesecat wrote:I just don't see how smothering blood on armour and weapons protects you from Chaos, yeah that makes a lot of sense.

ward used the word holy in the sentence, making them invincible.

WARD!!!!!

Cheesecat wrote:I just don't see how smothering blood on armor and weapons protects you from Chaos, yeah that makes a lot of sense.

It's make-believe science fantasy space opera. If GW says that smearing the blood of the pure on your armour protects you from the evil nasty blood that makes you evil, then that's how it works.

insaniak wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:I just don't see how smothering blood on armor and weapons protects you from Chaos, yeah that makes a lot of sense.

It's make-believe science fantasy space opera. If GW says that smearing the blood of the pure on your armour protects you from the evil nasty blood that makes you evil, then that's how it works.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and any gray knights that need it for some reason......

Asherian Command wrote:Read this if you think Matt Ward can't write...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083661/

Wow. I wonder what other stories he has copied.

SabrX wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Read this if you think Matt Ward can't write...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083661/

Wow. I wonder what other stories he has copied.

okay...
Zeist campagin..........

Highlander II: The Quickening wrote:Five hundred years earlier, on the planet Zeist, a last meeting is held between the members of a rebellion against the rule of General Katana (Michael Ironside). The rebellion’s leader, Ramirez, chooses "a man of great destiny" from among them—MacLeod—to carry out a mission against Katana. At this moment, Katana and his troops attack, crushing the rebellion. Katana orders his men to capture Ramirez and MacLeod alive, and kill the rest of the rebels. The two captives are put on trial by Zeist’s priests, who sentence them to be exiled and reborn on Earth as Immortals in pursuit of "The Prize." Winning the Prize gives the victor the choice to either grow old and die on Earth, or to return to Zeist. Katana is unsatisfied with their decision, but the sentence is executed, leading to the events of the original 1986 film.