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Alrighty gents, heres the topic of the evening.

Which is better to field, Daemon Princes or Soulgrinders?

I have had this topic brought up an several occasions and I want to know what you the players think.

Why do you prefer one over the other in the battle for the Heavy Support slot? Support your case.

I have to say the daemon prince is better than the soulgrinder because you can make it do more. I usally take 2 nugle princes.

That and a prince won't be instantly gibbed by one anti-tank round. Takes several to bring him down, that means more fire going his way instead of more important things.

The Grinder isn't as flexible as a prince, and it dies to anti tank stuff. It's harder to deep strike because it has a larger footprint. Taking Princes instead makes any opposing anti armour provision redundant. Princes are better (or can be made better) in assault. The Prince starts out cheaper, but it's points cost can balloon as you upgrade it-especially giving it Flight. If you are just after ranged artilliary and anti tank-especially for a Khorne themed army-SG's are just better.

There isn't really a correct answer. A Nurgle prince will fair a bit better in CC, Tzeench with Bolt is a decent, flexible option-but SG's are good at their job. Whatever you take, take at least 2..

I personally favor the SG. I admit it is mostly because of the model, but in terms of game play both DPs and SGs have served me well so I've got to choose on something.

The biggest issue lies with SG are boiled down to three things.

1) Its AV. You're entire army LAUGHS at las cannons and meltas, everything has at least a 33% chance of shruging it off and laughing in the dismayed weapon crews face, and then proceeding to chew it off. Giving them a target which the weapon is designed for is begging for trouble.

2) Even if the Soul Grinder isn't outright destroyed by the anti tank shot, it can be immobilised which isn't so bad, since it can make for a great gun boat (although for around the same points once you get toungue/phlem will nab me a bolt prince) but that instantly removes the option of charging into combat, or the shot will destroy its main weapon. Believe me, nothing is more frustrating than having a large walker have its only effective gun outright destroyer, the assault 6 str 4 side gun isn't going to cover it. Esp at BS 3

3) A daemon prince won't loose ANY of its potential effectiveness until its taken its 4th wound, A soul grinder may shrug off shaken/stunned but that means little if its face cannon is shot to pieces. A Daemon Prince is ALWAYS a threat, ALWAYS able to move into position and ALWAYS going to unload its full payload until its banished back into the warp. The cheaper price (and as stated above it does get expensive fast, but is generally worth it) means more can go onto the elites, where our other hard hitters live, or on our stunning range of Heralds. Gotta love a squad of Heralds on Juggs


Also I find the Daemon Princes easier to paint, and they're cheaper on the wallet, hope this helps you OP, I love soul grinders really as a model, they just live as Defilers in my CSM lists.

Interesting comments guys. I see the point Gir made with being able to take a lot of rounds with 4 wounds. But its hard to ignore VERY strong templates with decent range.

The problem with grinders is that yes, the mawcannon is the first thing to go, making its side arm the only ranged weapon. (whupdee...)

The princes do get extra pen dice when assaulting vehicles and thats very nice, better than the grinders. It seems most everyone agrees that princes are the way to go, when ya keep em cheap.

The grinders though offer atrillery firepower unmatched in the codex. That deserves consideration. If your not going to give it wings and just use it as a shooting platform, then why not take the grinder with the tounge? Sure it can shake off a few rounds with possessed but that wont last.

The footprint sucks. I know. Ive had plent-o-grinders fall off and get destroyed because they DS in the wrong place. That does give the prince a better rap in my eyes, just beacuse you can deploy the prince without having to worry so much about the scatter, you can put him in tight places where the grinder normally wont fit.

Interesting comments. But what do you guys think about 3 grinders vs 3 princes? If your fielding them you should field them in 2 or 3. But when it comes to firepower and sheer number of shots, they seem about even.

thoughts?

People who don't play demons like the DP, people who do play demons take 3 SG's and use greater demons for what they would use a demon prince for.

I'd say use the Demon Prince for the durability. Just avoid giving them wings. Wings are ridiculously expensive for some reason.

Daemon prince, Mark of nurgle..
More durbable.

I am just not a fan of lash and people moving my models.

I keep wanting to take DP's, more immune to melta, more mobile, more aggressive.

Yet game after game after game the SG's always performed better

Reaver83 wrote:I keep wanting to take DP's, more immune to melta, more mobile, more aggressive.

Yet game after game after game the SG's always performed better

Like I said people who play demons know.

tgf you're my hero. Thank you. lol

I've been trying to tell people this, Princes are nice and mobile and tough but when you compare 3 DP to 3 Grinders in the number of kills, THE GRINDERS WILL WIN EVERYTIME.

Survivability is a different story, but with possessed that kinda sorta maybe balances it out a little. Grinders are FAR more killy and, as a constant daemon player, I agree, DP can do some damage but the grinders always preform better

Are we talking about DP's with or without wings here?

Noisy_Marine wrote:Are we talking about DP's with or without wings here?

Doesn't make a difference, imo you should be running SG's in your heavy's and if you want a DP with wings and T6 buy a bloodthirster.

Aww ... I only have one soul grinder though.

Ya, agreed. Why pay for a pos Greater deamon when you can get the real thing that does so much more for just a few more points?