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Hey!

So enough playing nice with my assault-oriented Angels of Mercy (using Blood Angels Rules). If he can field a chaos general, I can field Mephiston. It's as (ch)easy as that

So I thought: if I'm fielding Mephiston, I want to do it right. This army should drip of cheese. If I can claim victory, I should not just be because there's mephiston. It should also be because of all that other insanely overpowered stuff Blood Angels have.

About my opponent: He's playing Khorny CSM. Last match: a general, 2*5 Berserkers, 5 marines, 1 obliterator. He wiped my Librarian, Honour guard w/4 LC, 2*5 assault w/Melta, Sgt w/LC completely. Thing is: Whoever charges wipes out the other unit. And he's much better at maneuvering/bubble wrapping than me. And his army is at a slight advantage (no need for a blood chalice to get +1 ini and wipe the other unit)

So here's my proposal. If you can cheese this up some more, let me know how.

My BA army is pretty small atm, but my opponent is pretty flexible about points. So feel free to add a few points if this increases the

Mephiston 250 pts
Sang Priest w/JP 75 pts
Assault Squad, Sgt w/LC&Storm Shield 135 pts
Assault Squad, Sgt w/LC&Storm Shield 135 pts
= 595pts

I'm really undecided about the Sang Priest. FNP is nice, but most casualties from the last games came from energy weapons, where FNP isn't that great anyhow. But the +1 ini when charging is gold . Another thing is the Storm Shield. My hope would be that this makes the Sergeant survive a round of Berserkers, but it's really really costly. I want effective cheese, not noob cheese, so I might drop that. Maybe drop the priest and the storm shields and get a baal predator instead (but using what configuration?)

Thanks for your help. Embrace your inner cheese for the emperor!

I like it but mine's a little bit more

mephy

5 assault marines in razorbacks with a melter and a cpt with a thunder hammer and infernos pistol X2

the razor backs are little more than transport with an added gun but their nice to hide in and at 15pts it would be rude not to lol the thunder hammer was to fill up points but when you smack a blood thirster with it, it'll make you feel happy

that being said your list is pretty tasty but I would consider having a few melters in there as meph is the only one who can pop a tank/take down anything big. I too once liked the idea of a sang priest but in the end he’s an extra kill point and doesn’t do anything beyond give FNP

I agree that meph is brutal in any game this size and is a really good choice to have as an HQ


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edit, no baal. go with a vindicator

The storm shield is pretty pointless drop them both.

I'm not convinced on fielding Mephiston at this points level but given what you are up against he should do well.

You need the snaguiary preist. It is not just +1I on the charge it is also +1S which can be crucial by increasing the damage out put of your unit (for instance a S5 lightening claw does more damage against MeQ than a powerfist).

Granted he doesn't need a blood chalice to get FC, but you have a 18" assault reach (24" with Mephiston) he has a 12" reach, there is no way you should be getting charged first.

So dump the stormshields and get a lightening claw for the Priest and an extra body for one of the assault squads.

From what you're saying it's not army building that is your main issue but tactics and I advise you look for BA advise there instead of list building advise here. To be honest your first list had some real promise.

"I'm not convinced on fielding Mephiston at this points level " dude, trust me. last time I used him at 600pts he killed 3/4 of my opponents army

"I'm not convinced on fielding Mephiston at this points level " dude, trust me. last time I used him at 600pts he killed 3/4 of my opponents army

He can do that but it is a case of eggs and baskets. Anyone that can deal with Mephiston will be laughing at you.

I don't think Mephy dovetails well with the Razorbacks and the Sanguiary preist does more than give FnP he also gives FC which makes a huge difference particularly given the opponent he is facing.

@FlingitNow: Yeah I know. I just need one cheesy game to deal with this Khorny army. Afterwards, it's back to my old list. But I need to win at least one match before I buy moar stuff...

@DPBellathrom: Nice idea, but a) I don't have any razorbacks and nothing to proxy them (Devilfish won't do... right?) and b) I don't like that the assault squads cannot charge when they disembark. But you're right: Transports for razorbacks are way too cheap


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FlingitNow wrote:From what you're saying it's not army building that is your main issue but tactics and I advise you look for BA advise there instead of list building advise here.

True that. I'm really challenged by making smart positioning decisions. You know, the one where half a turn later you don't go "Duh! I should have done this or that instead". Guess I need more practice

Until then, Mephiston

FlingitNow: thats true but I tend to stay away from those units if it can be helped how I use him is to let him blitz into half of my opponents army (lets face it, he's not going down quickly) and to clear away anything that my assault squads cant handle. if my opponent has anything that can deal with him then I simply stay out of its way and let my assault squad shoot it with melters and heavy bolters. also back to back razor backs provide good cover for him to move around with out any problems lol

any way, thats enough about me, Kosta: I'm sure that your opponent will let you providing its not torny play. I would have to agree that its a problem when they cant get out but as silly as it sounds I use them more for defence and stiing on obj's than for fighting. after all, thats mephs job

for what your fighting it would seem that RB's would be the way to go if you can kill the oblit quickly with meph as its the only thing that can really hurt your tanks. any idea as to what his lord has?

I would throw a death company with a chaplain in a rhino. They are perfect for killing assault squads. Park your rhino right in front of an enemy squad let them take out the rhino and charge on your turn. The ability to re-roll to hit and to wound with WS 5 anr STR 5 is great vs. most any assault unit and backed up by an assault squat with a sang priest and that squad is toast.