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Quick question...

Does the Sanguine Shield psychic power provide cover against ordnance?

Thanks

Sanguine Shield works against anything not explicitly disallowing any cover saves, even against barrage.

As Jidmah said, SS works against everything that allows cover saves

OK.

I don't have my BRB with me, but if I remember the ordnance rule stated something to the any unit under the template takes he hit on the side facing the hole in the template. In which case it is not that cover is removed/disallowed, it just refers to the facing. Can someone confirm this?

You are confusing Ordinance with Barrage. Cover for a Barrage weapon firing indirectly is worked out from the center of the hole and it hits the side armor (to represent top armor hits).

Ordinance, on the other hand, rolls 2d6 for penetrating armor and picks the highest one. Also, unless explicitly stated a vehicle cannot fire an ordinance weapon and another weapon.

Edit: Either way, Shield of Sanguinas still gives a cover save.

There are no rules for cover that are specific to Ordnance; you are thinking of barrage weapons.

Blast weapons use normal rules for determining cover (ie, you determine line of sight from the firer). This includes ordnance blast weapons.

Barrage weapons measure line of sight for cover purposes from the centre of the blast marker. This includes ordnance barrage weapons.

Neither of these would prevent the cover save from wargear or special rules (such as Shield of Sanguinius, Stormcaller, Kustom Force Fields, etc) as those give the units a cover save regardless of whether they're actually in cover or not.

The only one that I can think of would be the Tau's disruption pod for their vehicles.

Barrage only ignores terrain that would come in between the firer and the target. like say, walls or other units.


Barrage cover is determined from the center of the blast marker. it doesn't ignore abilities that just give a cover save, like SoS or a KFF. it also doesn't ignore area terrain either.

Grey Templar wrote:Barrage only ignores terrain that would come in between the firer and the target. like say, walls or other units.


Barrage cover is determined from the center of the blast marker. it doesn't ignore abilities that just give a cover save, like SoS or a KFF. it also doesn't ignore area terrain either.

This explains it the best in my opinion. I find that if you have trouble working it out or remembering the rules just imagine its a real life situation. Imagine the barrage shell falling from the sky down onto the target. A wall would not protect you from something like this, however something like a forest may protect you. If you picture the game in your mind I find its easier to understand why things happen and whats going on. Also means you remember the game longer and it seems more fun

The Acolyte wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Barrage only ignores terrain that would come in between the firer and the target. like say, walls or other units.


Barrage cover is determined from the center of the blast marker. it doesn't ignore abilities that just give a cover save, like SoS or a KFF. it also doesn't ignore area terrain either.

This explains it the best in my opinion. I find that if you have trouble working it out or remembering the rules just imagine its a real life situation. Imagine the barrage shell falling from the sky down onto the target. A wall would not protect you from something like this, however something like a forest may protect you. If you picture the game in your mind I find its easier to understand why things happen and whats going on. Also means you remember the game longer and it seems more fun

Careful


This doesn't always work, in fact, its more often not the case.