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Hi all,

new poster to this site, looking for some feedback on my BA list. have modified this so many times but am struggling to gain a balance there that I like. Let me know what you all think/amendments I can make.

Librarian w/Shield, Sanguin Sword+ Honour Guard w/Champion+2xMelta+2xPlas + DP = 370pts

Furioso w/ fists +DP = 160
Furioso w/ fists +DP = 160

Troops
Assault Squad+Priest PF+2xMelta 310
Assault Squad+Priest PF+2xMelta 310
Assault Squad+Priest 2xFlame 275


Fast Attack
Vanguard JP, PF, 3PW 200
Vanguard JP, PF, 3PW 200

Basically it's a DoA force with dreads- I really want a reclusiarch in there but can't justify it or find the points

Any comments on what you think I can clean up?

Also how would you destroy it if you met it in the field? comments appreciated

IMHO, drop the dreads, but if you really want to field them i would switch the dread fists for talons and potentially give them EA. As you have given them dps, they will have to take a turn of shooting before they can do anything. Especially since they will be the only thing on the table turn 1......

If i were to play this list I would not reserve anything and pick off your army as they came in piece meal. especially your 320 points of dread. 2 Dev squads with 4 ML each will make short work of your dreads.....

I really like the VV squads though! they are a nasty bunch of fellas once they hit the table, maybe add some melta bombs to them so that they are not only banking on the fist to pop armour, plus you have to ability to take on a LR then. Also maybe add a SS or two to increase there survivablity a bit.

I would also drop one of the priests from an assault squad, 4 chalices is a bit of overkill. You can do just fine with 3 as long as your army is not all over the table.

Anyways, just a couple of suggestions, take it or leave it as you will. Cheers

Falco is right. Your best bet is to hybridize your list. I suggest dropping the Vanguard for something that will be on the table like two Baal predators. Lose the honor Guard and take a death company and leave out the dreads so you can field a chaplain and a rhino (or a Land Raider Redeemer/Crusader if there are points left over). I feel that a hybrid mech DoA is bet as a pure DoA army is just that... Dead on Arrival. This may be too much of a change for your army resources but it would work well.

Ok, so I changed it up a bit and am generally happier with the list, not super competitive but it's a nice combination and I get to use may favourites, dreads/reclusiarch. I threw in the Vindi for some scare factor but IMHO and experience if you get either the dreads with or without talons or the vindi in range they make a mess and divert firepower. Also means my list is mass AV 13. I don't really care for long range so this list is great for my style of play. What do we think?


Librarian Shield, Sanguin Sword, Honour Guard+4xPW, Reclusiarch infernus + DP=455

Furioso+DP EA, talons 175
Furioso+DP EA, talons 175

Assault Squad+Priest 2xMelta+PF 310
Assault Squad+Priest 2xMelta+PF 310
Assault Squad 2xFlamer 200

Baal Predator TL Ass can 115
Baal Predator TL Ass can 115

Vindicator 145

Looks pretty good. what about this? Drop the Reclusiarch down to a chaplain, drop the infernus, drop the DP, and drop the Vindicator and one PW from the HG. Replace with a LRR. Gives you a big nasty template that eats MEQ, plus its an assault vehicle giving your HG/Chappy/Libby the ability to actually do something before they get shot to death. It also extends the range of Shield as the power is measured from the hull.

Yeah I'm still undecided on death stars, I run the reclusiarch because priests+dreads fills up my elite FOC. Will drop the infernus that's just a chance shot anyway. Vindi is gone.

List looks like this but is a few points over.

Libby+Rec+HG w/2PW+LRR

2x Furioso w/ Talons+EA

3x 10 RAS w/ 2x Melta+PF+Priest (one RAS w/o PF or priest)

2x Baal w/ ASS Cannon

That takes it to about 2025pts

Right the new list is sort of better but the vehicles aren't. The Dreadnoughts are a pain and will attract short ranged fire but it's a risk because if it doesn't work the squad in front is dead. With minimal tanks the long range fire power will cut through them in no time. What you really want is a hybrid drop list:

Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage
Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage
Honour Guard - jump packs & 4 x meltaguns

Furioso Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - blood talons & extra armour
Furioso Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - blood talons & extra armour
2 x Sanguinary Priests - jump packs

10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x flamers - sgt w/ power weapon
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x flamers - sgt w/ power weapon

Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon
Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon
Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon

Check points on that but it's close to 2,000 as I ran something like that myself. Any spare points put in Vanguard to tie up units when they deep strike with a mix of power weaps, hammer and melta bombs so they are flexible against vehicles and infantry

mercer wrote:Right the new list is sort of better but the vehicles aren't. The Dreadnoughts are a pain and will attract short ranged fire but it's a risk because if it doesn't work the squad in front is dead. With minimal tanks the long range fire power will cut through them in no time. What you really want is a hybrid drop list:

Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage
Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage
Honour Guard - jump packs & 4 x meltaguns

Furioso Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - blood talons & extra armour
Furioso Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - blood talons & extra armour
2 x Sanguinary Priests - jump packs

10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x flamers - sgt w/ power weapon
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x flamers - sgt w/ power weapon

Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon
Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon
Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon

Check points on that but it's close to 2,000 as I ran something like that myself. Any spare points put in Vanguard to tie up units when they deep strike with a mix of power weaps, hammer and melta bombs so they are flexible against vehicles and infantry

I just did a quick number crunch and this list is a little over 2500 pts. It would be nasty at 'ard boyz! 50 assault marines is amazing!

Sorry about the chappy thing lukemcd! i forgot that you had the priests! (slaps forehead).

if your going to be foot slogging the dreads (you could use the Baals and LRR as an armour wall), I would recommend dropping the EA. that will put you just under 2K (1985 to be exact), so you could add 15 pts to either the 3rd RAS, or a PW to the HG!

Uhm I probably used four Assault Marine squads and minus Honour Guard now that I think about it. Honour Guard would be about 190ish and the Assault Squad say lose a flamer unit would be about 215 so that's just over 400 points saved.

Falco wrote:

mercer wrote:Right the new list is sort of better but the vehicles aren't. The Dreadnoughts are a pain and will attract short ranged fire but it's a risk because if it doesn't work the squad in front is dead. With minimal tanks the long range fire power will cut through them in no time. What you really want is a hybrid drop list:

Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage
Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage
Honour Guard - jump packs & 4 x meltaguns

Furioso Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - blood talons & extra armour
Furioso Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - blood talons & extra armour
2 x Sanguinary Priests - jump packs

10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x flamers - sgt w/ power weapon
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x flamers - sgt w/ power weapon

Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon
Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon
Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon

Check points on that but it's close to 2,000 as I ran something like that myself. Any spare points put in Vanguard to tie up units when they deep strike with a mix of power weaps, hammer and melta bombs so they are flexible against vehicles and infantry

I just did a quick number crunch and this list is a little over 2500 pts. It would be nasty at 'ard boyz! 50 assault marines is amazing!

Sorry about the chappy thing lukemcd! i forgot that you had the priests! (slaps forehead).

if your going to be foot slogging the dreads (you could use the Baals and LRR as an armour wall), I would recommend dropping the EA. that will put you just under 2K (1985 to be exact), so you could add 15 pts to either the 3rd RAS, or a PW to the HG!

I have to say awesomer list firstly.

Ok basically I drop the Reclusiarch, HG and Baals for DP Dakka dreads and extra Libby, substituting AV13 for multiple AV12 targets which will hopefully give the furiosos enough time to get into combat.

Two things I am familiar with is flamers being excellent anti horde and needing something to reliably wipe MEQ but how good are Ass cans? Math on 3x Dread ass cans says about 4Wounds per shooting phase and I dont like to rely on rending. Less against Termies. 2x TL Ass Cans on Baals gives same result and then I can throw in the extra Dakka dread for 3x Drop pod strategy. The only thing missing is a reliable CC hammer unit like DC, Termies, kitted up VV etc. in 2k points. My list would look like,

Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage 125
Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage 125

Furioso Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - blood talons & extra armour 175
Furioso Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - blood talons & extra armour 175
2 x Sanguinary Priests - jump packs 150

10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist 235
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist 235
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist 235
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x flamers - sgt w/ power weapon 215

Baal Pred w/ Assault cannon 115
Baal Pred w/ Assault cannon 115

Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon 150 total 2050.

I would lose the Preds because limited armour. I know the Dreadnoughts are vehicles but those tanks will be easy targets just because they are a tank.

I'm also not a fan of rending for reasons you mentioned. The only reason I've given Dreadnoughts assault cannons is because I tried multi meltas and the single shot can miss and has limited fire power.

mercer wrote:I would lose the Preds because limited armour. I know the Dreadnoughts are vehicles but those tanks will be easy targets just because they are a tank.

I'm also not a fan of rending for reasons you mentioned. The only reason I've given Dreadnoughts assault cannons is because I tried multi meltas and the single shot can miss and has limited fire power.

Yeah MM dreads are a joke, I hate that MM is default kit. What about plasma cannon as alternative? Not many BA units carry them or have the ability to get midfield early either. I then solve my MEQ issue as well. all for the same points cost. PC can be unreliable but have had good experiences with them and can build in redundancy with two PC dreads.

List looks like:

Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage
Librarian - jump pack, shield of sanguinus & unleash rage

Furioso Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - blood talons
Furioso Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - blood talons
2 x Sanguinary Priests - jump packs

10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x meltaguns - sgt w/ power fist
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x flamers- sgt w/ power weapon
10 x Assault Marines - 2 x flamers - sgt w/ power weapon

Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - plasma cannon
Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - plasma cannon
Dreadnought w/ Drop Pod - assault cannon

That puts me 70pts over though.

Give the plasma cannons a try is all you can do. I think though the assault cannon is the lesser of two evils though.

Yeah mixed DOA/Mech is a bit odd, mech is truly king points wise this time around.

I'll keep playing around the edges, cheers for the help.

I might drop some RAS into Razors to get a couple more Assault cannons on the table.

Will let you know how it goes.

You don't want Razorbacks and no worries