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Just Dave wrote:

Amanax wrote:Well, I've become enthralled by them of late after starting up the Horus Heresy series finally, and I have randomly been inspired to make a Luna Wolf army. That said, I figured the best place to look current codex wise to represent them, would be the Space Wolves. You seem to be one of the go to guys for SW tactics (I did go through your tactica in your link). What do you think of SWs representing pre-heresy Luna Wolves?

I think that's a damn good idea.

I think it's a good idea both ways; Luna Wolves and Space Wolves. They were noted as aggressive (not unreasonably so, like World Eaters for example) and I'd imagine they'd have a play-style very similar to the Space Wolves. It's a really good idea IMHO man. Seriously nice. Will you do a P&M blog?
But yes, I'd say the Space Wolves are a good choice. Be sure to try and include a way to represent their spear-head tactics too, possibly with a couple of units arriving via drop pod or elites spearheading an advance. As I said though, I'd say they're a good fit. Space Wolves or Pedro/Sternguard would be most appropriate to me.
The HH series is great too. Only really the 1st 3 books (and a couple of short stories and obvious other appearances) feature them, but by and large the series is great.
If you want we can continue this discussion elsewhere (or end it) to save de-railing the thread further?

As Dave suggested, I created my own thread to continue the discussion.

Still not sure if I'll do a blog, as it will be a very slow process (I'm still trying to finish off my Templar and Eldar armies, let alone start up this project )

I only JUST got my hands on the "Horus Rising" book however, and so my knowledge of their tactics are limited when it comes to the Luna Wolves. Who would counts as who? What would be what? What should be included to represent what? How to put together a list and keep it nice and fluffy while still being somewhat competitive.

I want to include Blackmane, he's just an awesome HQ choice, as well as the other members of the Mournival. That said, Abaddon must be present with a squad of terminators, so wolfguard with a wolf lord? The rest... I need suggestions.

Well, if you do go for Space Wolves, who I'd believe to be the more suitable choice, then the counts-as should be fairly easy:

Tactical (or Assault w/out jump packs) Squads - Grey Hunters
Devastators - Long Fangs
Veterans and Sergeants - Wolf Guard
Wolf Guard Battle Leaders & Wolf Lords & Wolf Priests - Captains & the Mournival.
Logan Grimnar - Abaddon
Ragnar - Luc Sedirae
Arjac - Widowmaker/ Falkus Kibre

The possibilities should become more clear to you by the 3rd book however and then I'd imagine your ideas would all fall into place.

I do however sincerely doubt you'd be able to fit Logan/Abaddon and other special characters in the same army however, as he and Ragnar are very expensive.

If you do go for the Wolves however, I'd recommend 3 or 4 Grey Hunter squads in rhinos, possibly led by Wolf Guard/Sergeants, supported by Heavy Support, with the all important spearhead possibly led by a HQ choice and Wolf Guard, in Land Raiders, Rhinos or drop pods.

The Luna Wolves favoured strong surgical strikes targetting the command element of the enemy.

As an idea:
Drop pod army.
Grey Hunters would represent their aggressive tactics quite well, especially in drop pods.
Representing the chracters could be hard but you can easily use Wolf lords for that, most SW SCs are expensive in terms of points so likely no more than just 1.
Grabbing some Land Speeders would help with fire support as a suicide unit or just as a distraction.
Take 3 Long Fang packs with multi-meltas in drop pods, to help with both the fluff (Devastators) and tanks.
The entire army is fairly aggressive and i'd rate it as semi-competetive, personally i would deepstrike the whole lot but you can play it differently.

Rhinos/razorbacks are a good alternative to drop pods if you don't fancy them but if you do you may want to think about putting the WG into a Land Raider.

Thumbing threw the codex.... and taking into consideration your suggestions, how absolutely fail does this sound -

****HQs - 865****
Logan Grimnar

Ragnar Blackmane

Wolf Lord
- Combi Melta
- Frost Blade
- Wolf Tooth necklace
- Wolf Tooth Talisman
- Belt of Russ

Wolf Lord
- Combi Melta
- Frost Blade
- Wolf Tooth necklace
- Wolf Tooth Talisman
- Belt of Russ

****Troops - 555****
9x Grey Hunters
- Melta Gun
- Wolf Standard
- Drop Pod

9x Grey Hunters
- Melta Gun
- Wolf Standard
- Drop Pod

9x Grey Hunters
- Melta Gun
- Wolf Standard
- Drop Pod

****Elites - 207****
4x Wolfguard
- 4x Terminator Armor
- 4x Frost Blade
- Dedicated Drop Pod

****Heavy Support - 375****
3x Long Fangs + Sergeant
- 3x Melta Guns
- Drop Pod

3x Long Fangs + Sergeant
- 3x Melta Guns
- Drop Pod

3x Long Fangs + Sergeant
- 3x Melta Guns
- Drop Pod

Total = 2002


2 points over, but this is only the rough draft. Thoughts on the overall effectiveness? Do you think it represents the Luna Wolves? How about overall competitiveness? I do not like the initial feel of having almost half my points in four models, but it's fluff, so I am alright with it in the end

How could I better change up my HQs to better represent the Mournival?

Right two questions that I'll not include in the feedback:

- Are you intending to go for a drop-pod list then? These are very cool (and fluffy), but they will hamper it's competitiveness as drop-pod lists can be... 'predictable' in that they can be countered through castling/reserves. I like them, but they're not without their weaknesses.

- Are you trying to represent all four members of the mournival in one list? I ask this for 2 reasons; 1) they're unlikely to take to the field together all at once, particularly in such a small force and 2) as you noticed, it eats out A LOT of your points!

As for the list itself, I think it's a good start, particularly if you do intend to go for the drop-pod route, which this feedback pertains to, so may not be applicable if you turn away from podding for whatever reason:

- The Long Fangs wield multi-meltas rather than meltaguns, just to clear up any misunderstanding. I would recommend equipping one Long Fang squad with 5 multimeltas; if they arrive with Logan then they're relentless meaning that they can fire their multimeltas on the turn they arrive at two different targets, which is very deadly/shock and awe, if a bit of a one-trick pony of sorts.

- The other Long Fangs I would advise either giving missile launchers, to improve their range and versatility, or swapping them for MM/HF dreads. The key difference here is that the Dreads CAN (unlike the 'fangs) fire on the turn they arrive and are more flexible, but pack less of a punch and are arguably more vulnerable.

- The Grey Hunters are all good builds. You'd probably want to drop them to 8 men in order to have them led by Wolf Guard, who can provide combi-melta's, leadership and some extra CC punch.

- Generally, unless they're led by Ragnar, I would advise against Frost Blades on models as Str5 can be a bit underwhelming for it's points costs, particularly when you can get a powerfist for the same price. Ragnar could make it Str6 on the charge which wounds MeQ's on an impressive 2+! I would advise changing the wargear and getting a heavy weapon on the Wolf Guard (who btw count as troops with Logan/Abaddon).

- Overall I think it's a solid start, but I would recommend cutting it down to around 2 HQ choices as they can severely eat into your points. Hope that helps man!

I suppose you're right, only in full strength would all four be deployed. So with that insight, I'll probably focus on recreating Abaddon's first company.

Whoops on meltaguns instead of the proper multi meltas! That makes me less inclined to use the drop pod tactic, at least for the fangs, since I want "Abaddon" to be with a squad of "terminators" to coincide with the fluff of his squad better.

So, lets get on with those thoughts then.

Abaddon will obviously be represented by Logan Grimnar.

Now, who would represent whom from there?

I don't remember any other notable characters from the first company however to be represented. That being said though, I am certain I am merely forgetting names.

Grey hunters will be in the list, obviously no matter what style I go with. But without the use of drop pods, would an assault style list even be that viable without the use of Land Raider spam? (Used to being able to do that with my Templar). I know your tactica says in large bold letters that the wolves are not a close combat army, but being this is a Luna Wolf army, I still want to have a large focus on melee, and use my shooting as a strong back bone. As your tactica suggests, using melee to clean up the remains as I remove enemy HQ units with my own (Or attempt to). What would you suggest to best complete that goal?

Anti-HQ?
A Logan Grimnar with some Wolf Guard terminators.
Grimnar is a surprisingly hard HQ choice with some good support options, most other HQ choices would buckle against him, add in the WG terminators and you have a shiny bundle with which to make special friends.
It isn't quite a deathstar but it is fairly expensive so watch out.

I don't mind paying a lot for an HQ. I've been known to field the full Helbrecht deathstar, and the full jetseer council for Eldar. Expensive, I can handle and work around. (Did you see how much I was spending on HQs for the list I posted? O_o )

Why but SW HQs usually come pretty expensive due to the whole 'Chapter of Heroes' thing.
Logan is 275 points and a minimum sized WG bodyguard would be 150-ish then the LR is more again...
On their own they won't do well since they aren't really a deathstar. Supported by the rest of the army they should do well.
Grab 4/6 GH in Rhinos with meltagun/s and add a WGPL if you want to/can. The 'best' load out for him is a power fist with a combi-weapon that complements the squads special weapon.
Incidentally you cannot field a HQ choice that has the same equipment as another HQ choice (This includes sagas and psychic powers)

I was under the impression that the only restriction on wargear for HQ units was that no two warriors could have the same Sagas. I didn't know it also extended to psychic powers. Though I don't think the Luna Wolves have pyskers... do they? I don't recall them being listed in the Thousand Sons book as one of the chapters who refused the Librarian order though. Any clarification on that one?

and 660 ish points for a single HQ unit shouldn't be a problem for me given how cheap the Wolfguard are. I can always represent the other "special" characters of the first company through the Wolf Guard as "sergeants" dealie-o.

How about....

HQ- 275
Logan Grimnar

Troops - 918
9x Grey Hunters
- Melta Gun
- Wolf Banner
- Drop Pod
- Attached Wolf Guard
- - Combi Melta
- - Power Fist
- - Storm Shield

9x Grey Hunters
- Melta Gun
- Wolf Banner
- Drop Pod
- Attached Wolf Guard
- - Combi Melta
- - Power Fist
- - Storm Shield

4x Wolf Guard
- 4x Terminator Armor
- 4x Combi Melta
- Drop Pod

5x Wolf Guard
- 5x Terminator Armor
- 5x Combi Melta
- Drop Pod

Elites - 470
Venerable Dreadnought
- Wolf Tail Necklace
- Extra Armor
- Flamer
- Drop Pod

Venerable Dreadnought
- Wolf Tail Necklace
- Extra Armor
- Flamer
- Drop Pod

Heavy Support - 300
1x Sergeant + 4 Long Fangs
- 4x Missile Launchers
- Drop Pod

1x Sergeant + 4 Long Fangs
- 4x Missile Launchers
- Drop Pod

Total = 1963


Another rough list, by no means final draft (Especially given the 37 points under). However, how does it look? Fluffy? Usable?

It looks like a pretty good list. I would think Ragnar would be representing Torgaddon or maybe little horus?

Neither Torgaddon, or Little Horus wore terminator armor.

~ And I typo'd. I put the points for Logan, but put down Ragnar. Whoops!

The latest list looks much better IMHO buddy, not perfect, but it's good!

As I said, drop pod's are a viable and cool tactic, but they will reduce the competitiveness to an extent compared to mechanised or example.

The other potential character from the 1st Company is Falkus Kibre (or whomever), the Widowmaker, who's basically Abaddons second in command; he could be Arjac, Wolf Priest/Battle Leader/Lord in Terminator Armour or whatever you wanted.

I apologise for the confusion in regards to close combat, I intend to edit the tactica to avoid this confusion as someone else made this comment recently. I didn't mean to say the Space Wolves can't be run as a close combat, it was that it doesn't play to their strengths as much as a close-quarters army and at the time (although this has changed as a result of Razorspam/fangs) they were commonly perceived as a close-combat Chapter, whereas that's what the BA's specialise in.
As for running a close combat army mechanised, it could simply consist of a Land Raider or 2 spearheading the attack (filled with Wolf Guard), supported by rhinos with Grey Hunters & Wolf Guard, adding on whatever you like after that. As I meant to say, a close combat army is entirely doable with the Space Wolves, although IMHO it's not as natural to them as close quarters, but a mixture of shooting and close combat is what the Wolves (Luna and Space) typically use, so it's fine.

In your current list; I think the Grey Hunter squads are well set-up, I'd drop the Stormshield off the Wolf Guard, but otherwise they're good.

The Wolf Guard packs are also pretty good. I'd recommend something like 3 combi-meltas and 2 combi-plasma in each squad, but otherwise they're good. I'd also consider adding at least one Str8 CCW (Powerfist/Chainfist/Hammer etc.) to each squad in case of tanks and maybe the odd Wolf Claw or two, just be careful not to rack up the points too quickly! Also try to get the Heavy Weapon from the Wolf Guard.

The Dreads you may find more cost efficient as normal dreadnoughts, it's questionable whether the Venerable upgrade is worth it and is usually very much a case of 'ymmv'. Ultimately I'll leave that decision up to you however! I would recommend giving them multi-melta's however. The Wolf Tail necklace often isn't worth it either btw.

A trick often used in Logan-led Drop-pod Space Wolf armies is to have a Long Fang squad equipped with multimelta's, led by Logan. Logan can grant them relentless, therefore allowing them to fire on the turn they arrive which they ordinarily can't do. After this turn he can just leave the squad and join a Wolf Guard pack or something. It's a good tactic for drop-pod Wolves, however there is a problem in that pre-heresy armies didn't really have access to man-portable multimeltas.

As I said though, the latest incarnation is much better buddy. I hope my advice is helping, it's just that though, advice. Ultimately you can do what you want!

Well, as my knowledge of space wolves is very limited, and I know that my own knowledge of Luna Wolves isn't as good as it should be when attempting a project like this - I am glad to accept your advice.

Alright, I've always wanted a reason to use Arjac ever since seeing him in the book. He's in.

Ah! I got ya. Well, a "close quarters" army seems perfect for what I'm looking for, and your tactica made it clear that this was a good choice. I was a bit nervous though, as I was looking to be a bit more melee oriented than your tactica seemed to suggest was viable. Thank you for clearing that up, it's appreciated.

I would enjoy the use of the Land Raider rush, I've used it in my Templar several times and found it fairly effective. Though, I must say, at this point in my book the Luna Wolves have not used vehicles or drop pods. Does this change? I want the army play style to stay as true to the fluff as possible, without gimping myself, but so far all they have done is shouldered their way through gunfire really. The only transport they have used was an earlier version of the Thunderhawk, and that was only for main deployment

Right! You know, I put those on there to deter targeting him over the others, but I guess he is no longer counted as a wolf guard, but rather an upgraded character isn't he? (Judging by the wording of the text?)

Power fist is probably what I'll use. I haven't seen any Thunder Hammers or lightning claws in the fluff for the LWs yet, so I'll be attempting to avoid those as best I can.

I chose to keep the Assault Cannons due to the high RoF S6 Rending. I guess I kinda took an Eldar mentality to Assault Cannons with all marine armies, where those 4 S6 shots are good for light vehicles and for infantry and therefor invaluable when you can get your hands on them. Especially if they rend, making them a threat to higher AV values, and to heavy infantry. Is my thinking wrong on that? Do I need more melta weapons? I would have thought with all the anti tank, I would have turned all other metal boxes into slag?

As much as I don't want to gimp myself by fluff, I can't bring myself to put Logan with the Long Fangs to let them shoot that turn. Abaddon would be with the Terminators from the drop. That's where I plan to keep him =/

Alright, so things of note - Dropping storm shields and venerable. Use the points to upgrade one of the wolfguard to Arjac to represent the Widowmaker (Should it be in the squad of four, or the squad of five? I haven't met him in the books yet, so not sure if he's just one of Abaddon's commanders or what. Lexicanum is not helping either).What to use to fill in the rest of the points?

I have access to a fully painted Luna Wolves army... all the charaters are represented. We did it for Adepticon a few years ago. There we took an honor guard as an HQ and had the Mournival represented.

As for army comp goes, go for what you think would best represent "The Spear Tip".

All pods is popular death from above and all that.

For me, Land Raiders better represent the spear tip. It's pre -heresy, so Technology isn't in short supply. Take a unit of assualt terms if you want Abby to lead them into battle. (codex marines). I've used the army well over the years, 4 land raider (one is Dedicated to the assult term) + 3 troops (usually scouts)


For a SW army, Logan + 4 squads. Between the one dedicated to the wolf guard, 3 more Land raiders can be taken as heavy, you still have a spear tip.

Most opponents take deep breath when they see that much armour lined up.

I shall get back to you later matey, as I'm busy 'til tomorrow, however don't worry too much about the fluff. ANYTHING pre-heresy, the Luna Wolves would have access to; Land Raiders, Lightning Claws, everything. Being warmaster, Horus got all the good stuff.
Lightning Claws and Thunder Hammers were both around at the time. The only things that spring to mind you shouldn't field are Vindicators, Razorbacks, LRR's/LRC's, Scouts and maybe Iron Priests.

As for Arjac, he's about as tough as Logan so I'd put him in the seperate squad for two equally viable threats and yes, he's not counted as an independant character and nor are Wolf Guard pack leaders. They're all scoring too.

Anyways, I'll get back to you in depth when I can, but that's some food for thought in the mean-time!

Chubs wrote:
I have access to a fully painted Luna Wolves army... all the charaters are represented. We did it for Adepticon a few years ago. There we took an honor guard as an HQ and had the Mournival represented.

As for army comp goes, go for what you think would best represent "The Spear Tip".

All pods is popular death from above and all that.

For me, Land Raiders better represent the spear tip. It's pre -heresy, so Technology isn't in short supply. Take a unit of assualt terms if you want Abby to lead them into battle. (codex marines). I've used the army well over the years, 4 land raider (one is Dedicated to the assult term) + 3 troops (usually scouts)


For a SW army, Logan + 4 squads. Between the one dedicated to the wolf guard, 3 more Land raiders can be taken as heavy, you still have a spear tip.

Most opponents take deep breath when they see that much armour lined up.

Good point. I will need to play test though, to see if I want to use the other heavy support slots on something other than long fangs. It may very well end up being a land raider blitz.

Just Dave wrote:I shall get back to you later matey, as I'm busy 'til tomorrow, however don't worry too much about the fluff. ANYTHING pre-heresy, the Luna Wolves would have access to; Land Raiders, Lightning Claws, everything. Being warmaster, Horus got all the good stuff.
Lightning Claws and Thunder Hammers were both around at the time. The only things that spring to mind you shouldn't field are Vindicators, Razorbacks, LRR's/LRC's, Scouts and maybe Iron Priests.

As for Arjac, he's about as tough as Logan so I'd put him in the seperate squad for two equally viable threats and yes, he's not counted as an independant character and nor are Wolf Guard pack leaders. They're all scoring too.

Anyways, I'll get back to you in depth when I can, but that's some food for thought in the mean-time!

True, they were after all one of the first legions to receive terminator armor. Why not Thunder hammers and lightning claws?

I do like the idea of Arjac drop podding in and throwing his thunder hammer to aid in the melta blitz. Should prove to be quite comical to watch so many tanks turned to goo on turn one with drop pod assault.

Like I said, I'll need to do some proxy play tests, see what I enjoy more and what feels like a better "Luna Wolf" army. From there I can start figuring out what I will need to do to model them properly.

Cheers, I'll do my best to help, I'm not an expert on Loganwing specifically mind. As you said and with all sorts of army lists/tactics, play testing is almost always the best way to decide things.
But yes, I do have always had a soft spot for Arjac and he'd work well in your list; particularly in that he'd be able to score thanks to Logan!

As I said, being the Warmaster's Legion, Luna Wolves would have access to all of the good stuff, whether or not it was immediately mentioned in the books so far. As I said, you shouldn't use Vindicators, Razorbacks, Thunderwolves, Land Raider Crusaders and Redeemers, CML's, Rune Priests, Scouts and possibly Iron priests AFAIK. Lightning Claws, Land Raiders and Thunderhammers and the like were all around during the HH, Horus himself used a Lightning Claw!

I can't remember what Falkus wielded, but he was basically Abaddon's second in command, so would take over the 1st whilst the Big A was on mournival duties etc.

Actually, yeah, the Assault Cannons may be superior on Venerable Dreads thanks to their BS5, but I'd typically recommend MM/HF dreads in drop pods, however a variety of both works. You may find it easier to get the assault cannons on the Wolf Guard and Multi-meltas on the dreads?

I'll try to draft up a couple of lists for drop-podding and mechanised/Land Raider's if you want?
I think both would work semi-competitively if used properly. However, it's worth bearing in mind that 4 Land Raiders, Logan and 4 Wolf Guard squads total 1995pts before upgrades, so that may not be the best option. Possibly 2 Land Raider and others if you want...

Overall positive feedback means I must be doing something right. I will have to fiddle with the numbers on the dreads to see if I want to switch them over to MM.

Hmmm, and yeah, I was thinking about it yesterday. See if I couldn't give both squads of wolfguard some wolf claws for some delicious re-rolls. Thanks to Logan, and Arjac, both squads of Wolfguard would have their high strength melee weapon to scare off those walkers.

I was thinking of trying to put in the same troops I do now, drop the dreadnoughts and longfangs and instead do the quad land raider push. However I was unable to look into it, as I ended up going to the hospital thanks to my exacto knife while taking out parts to my knewest Land raider crusader purchase >_<

That said, I would love it if you could draft up some lists. I'll try and thumb through the book for the above mentioned ideas, and we can see what we can find eh?


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Got the newest list drafted up, aiming for the advised mechanized list. I'll try and explain my reasoning and you can let me know if I'm off my rocker or not

****HQ - 275****
Logan Grimnar (Abaddon)
****Troops - 945****
9x Grey Hunters + Wolf Guard
- Melta Gun
- Wolf Standard
- - Thunder Hammer
- - Combi Melta

4x Wolf Guard (Logan would be with this group)
- 4x Terminator Armor
- 2x Combi Melta
- Dedicated Land Raider
- - Extra Armor

5x Wolf Guard
- 4x Terminator Armor
- 1x Combi Melta
- Arjac (Falkus Kibre "Widowmaker")
****Elites - 250****
Dreadnought
- TL Autocannon
- TL Autocannon

Dreadnought
- TL Autocannon
- TL Autocannon
****Heavy Support - 530****
Land Raider
- Extra Armor

Land Raider
- Extra Armor
****Total = 2000****

I have included the majority of terminator clad models to represent the Justaerin as both Abaddon and Falkus are present in the list. I figured that you guys were right, and that a land raider rush would probably be the easiest way to represent the "spearhead" tactic. I also included the two dreads for light tank control. I figured, between the melta weapons, arjac's hammer, the 6 TL lascannons, and the 4 TL autocannons I would have enough anti tank to stay competitive as well.

Things I'm worried about - I feel I am a troop choice too low. Other than that, the typical concerns with three land raiders (Being fearful of mass meltas) so I'll have to choose my targets carefully.

Things I tried to add - I tried to add in that fourth troop choice at first, but couldn't manage to squeeze them in with the land raider. I also originally had two wolfguard in each wolf guard squad sporting dual wolf claws, but was unable to afford them in the end. I would also like to squeeze extra armor on the dreads, so if they come under heavy fire and survive, I can at least pull them back to hide behind some land raiders. Though it is circumstancial, and thus not at the top of the list for me.

What are your thoughts fluff wise and tactically?

Shameless self bump to try and get more ideas.

However, I have been thinking of the actual models. I found a set of Mk. V power armor suits on forgeworld. I'm thinking that I'll pick those up to be my grey hunters. It saves me the trouble of trying to make sure I have enough non-aquilla chest pieces

Though, terminators. Now, if I recall correctly, the terminator armor from 40K is the same terminator armor from the Heresy, and the technology has been lost, correct? If so, modeling them will be cake.

I also assume Land raiders were the same. So would dreadnoughts? (Given that Bjorn was from around the Heresy era and he looks just like any other dread)

As far as detailing goes, white armor scheme, highlighted gray with red detail it sounded like. Anyone remember anything more accurate?

I was also thinking that I would only be giving the senior members of the army the wolf pelts, as it doesn't seem like everyone has them like the space wolves do.


Thoughts?

HQ - Logan Grimnar - 275pts

Elites - Dreadnought - Multimelta, Heavy Flamer - Drop Pod - 150pts

Elites - Dreadnought - Multimelta, Heavy Flamer - Drop Pod - 150pts

Elites - Dreadnought - Multimelta - Drop Pod - 140pts

Troops - 5 Wolf Guard Terminators - Arjac Rockfist, 3x combi-melta, 1 wolf claw, 1 heavy flamer - Drop Pod - 380pts

Troops - 4 Wolf Guard Terminators - 3x combi-plasma, 1 wolf claw, 1 chain fist - Drop Pod - 198pts

Troops - 5 Wolf Guard Terminators - 3x combi-plasma, 1 chain fist, 1 wolf claw, 1 Heavy Flamer - Drop Pod - 240pts

Troops - 9 Grey Hunters - Meltagun, Wolf Standard - Drop Pod - 185pts
Led by - Wolf Guard - Combi-melta, power fist - 48pts

Troops - 9 Grey Hunters - Meltagun, Wolf Standard - Drop Pod - 185pts
Led by - Wolf Guard - Combi-melta, power fist - 48pts


1999pts


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Food for thought for a drop pod list, not the best, but it's an idea, feel free to fiddle around with it of course. Turns out Assault Cannons are post-heresy so they're not an option for the Dreadnoughts. Your previous list looked quite good also.

Personally, I like the look of it. Though, I am surprised to learn that the assault cannon was post heresy. I could have sworn it was mentioned in "A Thousand Sons" but they called it "Reaper" because the name the imperium used was a poor letter configuration, and that Reaper used six letters (You know how they are). Was that the Autocannon they referred to, or perhaps even the Reaper Autocannon?

The only change for me, would probably making sure that every squad had at least one melta, just to be sure those tanks explode in glorious hellfire, leaving the juicy insides ripe for the picking

I previously posted thoughts for the modeling ideas, what do you think?

Well, it just occurred to me as I am reading "False Gods" that during the Luna Wolf period, Abaddon didn't wear terminator armor...

So I will not be using Logan Grimnar to represent the First Captain, and instead am thinking that Ragnar Blackmane might be a better fit (to represent his bloodlust and ferocious battle tactics).

What do you all think? Dave, thoughts on changing the army around to include Ragnar instead of Logan?