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Ok this is confusing the hell out of me and as a new player to fantasy it's hard to grasp. The original mark of nurgle in my book pretty much states that when they swing at me they have -1 WS and when they shoot at me they have -1 BS. When I swing back they would have unmodified WS so easy example a WS 3 model would hit my warriors on a 5 up do to the double + 1 rule of WS.

Page 110 – The Mark of Nurgle
Change the second paragraph to “A model with the Mark of
Nurgle is difficult to target. Ranged attacks that target him are
at -1 To Hit. Models that target him in close combat are at -1
WS.”

Is the errata to the mark. From what I am reading here it actually perma lowers their weapon skill if my squad has the mark since they are targetting the squad which would make a WS 5 model hit my warriors on a 4 up and my warriors to hit them on a 3 up which is amazing.

As my second question goes If I give my exalted the mark of nurgle and make him join a unit with the mark of tzeentch do they benefit from each other?

Second question is easiest: No. The Exalted benefits only from MoN when attacks are allocated against him instead of the unit, and the Tizz lads are the only ones that get their ward.

First question: It isn't a permanent reduction. So, say you have a Marauder unit with MoN and I have a Warrior unit attacking you. My warriors go from being WS 5vs4, thus needing 3's to hit, to WS 4v4 needing 4's. When you attack back you still need 4's as my WS doesn't change when you attack me, just when I attack you.
This means to have any benefit you need either a WS 1 lower than your enemy (thus going from hit on 3's to hit on 4's) or a very high WS vs very low, so they hit on 5's. Also, people argue about it a bit, but if you cause Fear and that makes your opponent WS1 they need 6's to hit you (or can't attack due to being WS 0... whatever.)

Generally MoN is over costed, and is in all ways inferior to MoT. Hopefully they correct that in the next book, because currently it is really unfortunate.

it actually perma lowers their weapon skill if my squad has the mark since they are targetting the squad

Not permanently. It means that when they attack you, their weapon skill is 1 point lower than on the stat line. When you attack them, you are attacking their statline WS.

As far as the 2nd question goes, no they would not benefit from each other. Tzeentch ups your ward save (iirc) and that would only affect the models with the MoT. The unit would not benefit from the MoN on the character, and if an opponent attacked your unit, they would do so with an unmodified WS. If they directed attacks at the character with the MoN then their WS would be considered one point lower.

**edit**
Damn ninjas

Thank you for clarifying this. That nurgle deal is worded poorly I guess then. Also I was expecting the IC rule with marks since that would be broken just tossing heroes in groups with units to benefit them with double marks.

in addition to the above question, it says "models attacking..etc." where does it state that there WS returns when you attack them?
It looks to me that, if you attack a MON model, you lose a WS for attacking, that is until you are not attacking it?

Cheers

Models that target him in close combat are at -1 WS.

The only point at which you can "target" a unit or model with a MoN in close combat is during your own attack rolls. Outside of the moment you roll your dice, you are not targetting the unit, or the models. You might be in combat with them (base contact), but you certainly aren't targetting them until, and only when, you attack.

It looks to me that, if you attack a MON model, you lose a WS for attacking, that is until you are not attacking it

And you are not attacking it if you are not rolling to hit it.

Formosa - as above. It works exactly the same as wytch weapons in the old DE codex, where only when attacking is your WS affected.

It was a considerable nerf

and it is important to note that it is -1 to hit NOT -1BS. yes more of the time these are the same but there are occurances where it is not.

and yes nurgle is way over costed

lixulana wrote:and it is important to note that it is -1 to hit NOT -1BS. yes more of the time these are the same but there are occurances where it is not.

/Tomb Kings agree

hopefully, MoN becomes +1T and stays at the current cost.


that many points for what it does is rediclous, but if it was +1T it would be about right.