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I've just looked at this rule properly and if I'm reading right I've been playing Orks wrong for ages.

The mob rule says Orks have leadership equal to how many are in the mob and if 11 or more are fearless. So if you've got 5 Orks in the mob wouldn't that mean they are LD5?

Just wondering as people say about units of 5 Lootas and they are LD7 which from reading the rule isn't what it says.

Spanks!

No, they use whatever is higher. The Mob rule or their statline leadership

You may replace the leadership value with the number of orks in the mob, you don't have to.


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Kyvik: Actually not right, if you wanted to fail a leadership test for whatever reason, you could use the lower value. Can't do anything about fearless though(sadly).

Scratch that. You may choose whichever you want.

If for some reason you want to use the lower value, you may.

Ork Leadership is one of those really funny subjects. Have you came across Weaken Resolve yet? That can REALLY screw with your brain when it comes to working out Ork LD.

Nah, not really. Doesn't matter which one is reduced to 2

You always use the highest leadership, whether it is that of standard or the mob rule.

Care to quote a rule contradicting the codex in my hands?

Can we get an exact quote/reference please?

Jidmah wrote:Care to quote a rule contradicting the codex in my hands?

Well you can choose to fail, but as an Ork player why would you want to do that?

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Care to quote a rule contradicting the codex in my hands?

Well you can choose to fail, but as an Ork player why would you want to do that?

Break a small unit of boyz in combat during the opponent's turn so you're free to dakka dakka the enemy unit during your turn?

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:You always use the highest leadership, whether it is that of standard or the mob rule.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:Well you can choose to fail, but as an Ork player why would you want to do that?

So which are you claiming the rule is? Choose (correct) or always highest (incorrect)?

Always using the highest leadership is WHFB not 40k btw.

"[fluff] Because of this, ork mobs may always choose to substitute the number of orks in their mob for their normal leadership value. If an ork mob numbers 11 or more, it has the fearless special rule." (Codex: Orks, pg. 31)

So I'm right then it appears. If a mob of Orks have two Orks in it then they are leadership 2.

Only if they chose to be leadership 2, otherwise ld 7.

Getcha. I mis-read. It says MAY chose to substitute. Not have to. Would be different if the words were slightly changed.

Even if they had to choose, it would still be optional, as they are choosing

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Care to quote a rule contradicting the codex in my hands?

Well you can choose to fail, but as an Ork player why would you want to do that?

Break a small unit of boyz in combat during the opponent's turn so you're free to dakka dakka the enemy unit during your turn?

have to remember that. I was locked in combat with my warboss against a group of Grey knight assasins (and inquisitor, rad grenades, hammerhand..the works..) My two groups of loota's could have shot them down IF the Warboss failed his leadership. Next time I use his leadership of 1.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Care to quote a rule contradicting the codex in my hands?

Well you can choose to fail, but as an Ork player why would you want to do that?

Some people enjoy losing. Also if your a bad player you tend to get more games!

shogun wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Care to quote a rule contradicting the codex in my hands?

Well you can choose to fail, but as an Ork player why would you want to do that?

Break a small unit of boyz in combat during the opponent's turn so you're free to dakka dakka the enemy unit during your turn?

have to remember that. I was locked in combat with my warboss against a group of Grey knight assasins (and inquisitor, rad grenades, hammerhand..the works..) My two groups of loota's could have shot them down IF the Warboss failed his leadership. Next time I use his leadership of 1.

Does the warboss have the special rule "Mob rule" if he doesn't then no, you couldn't

The Acolyte wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Care to quote a rule contradicting the codex in my hands?

Well you can choose to fail, but as an Ork player why would you want to do that?

Some people enjoy losing. Also if your a bad player you tend to get more games!

The bad thing is, in kill point games, you could fail and then use I2 to get chopped down, so that isnt a very good plan...

Lobukia wrote:Does the warboss have the special rule "Mob rule" if he doesn't then no, you couldn't

The only Ork who doesn't have Mob Rule is Grotsnik.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Care to quote a rule contradicting the codex in my hands?

Well you can choose to fail, but as an Ork player why would you want to do that?

Some people enjoy losing. Also if your a bad player you tend to get more games!

The bad thing is, in kill point games, you could fail and then use I2 to get chopped down, so that isnt a very good plan...

Which might still be a good thing, for example if your have have boyz unit which losts it's nob and can't hurt the enemy anyway, but lootaz or a deffrolla could. Sometimes accepting to be wrong is easier than arguing to be right anyway. A single warboss would also have I4.