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So Power of the Machine spirit, pacifically the 'different target unit' I'm a little confused on. Take this example of a Land Raider with Las Cannons and an Assault cannon, with 2 ork trukks in front of it. The left las cannon and assault cannon can shoot at either, and the right las cannon can shoot at the middle one. I've attached a drawing (not very good), but can't figure out how to insert it in line here, so feel free to look at it.

If the land raider moves <= 6", it could shoot the right las cannon at the middle trukk, and the left las cannon at the left trukk. But if the land raider didn't move, it could fire all 3 at the middle trukk. But could it

A> Fire all 3 at the middle trukk and fire the left las cannon at the left trukk
or
B> Fire the Assault cannon and right las cannon at the middle trukk, and the left las cannon at the left trukk.

or would it loose the ability to shoot at 2 targets if it doesn't move, as such in this case you may want to move it back and inch then forward an inch to fire the 2 las cannons at the 2 trukks (if they're equal threat).

beside the fact that, afaik, you cannot have a land raider with las cannons and an assault cannon, here goes.

It doesn't allow you to shoot any weapon twice, it lets you shoot at a different target. It has nothing to do with movement either, it ignores movement entirely.


Both of these are valid:

B> Fire the Assault cannon and right las cannon at the middle trukk, and the left las cannon at the left trukk.

If the land raider moves <= 6", it could shoot the right las cannon at the middle trukk, and the left las cannon at the left trukk. But if the land raider didn't move, it could fire all 3 at the middle trukk.

A is not valid, as you would shoot the left lascannon twice

PotMS lets you fire one more weapon than you are normally allowed, and lets you CHOOSE to fire it at a different target, if you wish. This ability is not contingent on it having moved...

SO in A, you appear to be trying to fgire one weapn twice - the left lascannon. You CANNOT do that.

The answer is "B"; a non-fast vehicle that stays still can fire all of its weapons, so a non-PotMS vehicle could fire the two lascannon and assault cannon at a SINGLE trukk, as usual for units firing (can only fire on one target)

PotMS lets you take over one weapon and aim it at a different target to the other weapons, IF you wish to do so, without suffering any penalties. So your situation B can occur; you can choose 1 weapon out of the 3 to fire at the other trukk

Awesome, thanks guys.

I normally play with a Redeemer, which has an assault cannon. Forgot that it's a heavy bolter for regular LR.

Does C:SM have a different BS for the machine spirit? I know in C:BT I can use it, but at BS 2

DoggNewTrix wrote: Does C:SM have a different BS for the machine spirit? I know in C:BT I can use it, but at BS 2

Read the BT FAQ on GW's FAQ page. The PotMS has been brought in line with that of the newer SM codices. The only Templars vehicle that does not benefit from the addendum is the Drop Pod, which is BS2 on its stat-line. However it may still fire upon landing as per it's special exception.

Oh, err, okay cool. I'm glad someone pointed that out to me prior to diecon!!! So just ingore the text in the book and "change to" cool....

Another question came up on this.

Say I have a crusader with a melta.

Could I use PotMS to fire the melta at a vehicle, pop it, and then fire the hurricane bolters and assault cannon at the troops that just disembarked? I know it says you can't do that with squads cause all of the weapons fire at the same time and you have to designate one unit to fire at, and the vehicle is one and the embarked units are another one. But with PotMS you can choose a different target.

Guess that also brings up the question, if I use a melta to destroy the vehicle, can a different unit fire at the newly disembarked unit? I thought so, but thinking of this makes me wonder if all units fire at the same time.

You may not fire the other LR weapons at the disembarked squad. All of the vehicle's shooting happens simultaneously.

You may use an entirely separate squad to shoot at the newly disembarked unit. The shooting phase as a whole is not simultaneous, the only thing that is simultaneous is shooting from one cohesive unit, whether that be a vehicle or a squad.

Shall i nominate all shots before rolls are made?

say i shoot one lascannon on left truck, don´t destroy it. Can i then chose to use the next lascannon on the same target aswell? Then select another target for the 3rd weapon?

I thought so. Thanks Darkjediben.

You bring up another good question erifin.

Erfin - ALL SHOOTING from one unit is simultaneous. ALL of it.
So "no" is the answer

The rules are perfectly clear that you have to nominate all targets before resolving any shots, and that all shooting from a given unit is considered to be simultaneous.

It works the same for Machine Spirits, Long Fangs, Tau Target Locks, etc.