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So, with all the Grey Knights popping up in my meta (admittedly, I'm playing them too ) I've been thinking about lists that can beat them.

Here's one:

Mephiston 250

(5) Assault Terminators, 4x THSS, 1x Claws 220

(5) Assault Squad, remove packs 100
Land Raider, MM 225

(5) Assault Squad, remove packs 100
Land Raider, MM 225

(5) Assault Squad, remove packs 100
Land Raider 215

(5) Assault Squad, remove packs 100
Land Raider 215

= 1750

Had to drop flamers off the assault squads and MM off 2 of the raiders to fit in the THSS, and one of them still has claws because couldn't find points.

Against GK, this should be punishing. You can pummel them at range without much they can do about it (Psyflemen HATE Land Raiders with a passion). They can't kill Mephiston at range in any reliable manner, and he eats up 5 man PAGK squads in CC (which is what people usually run). The THSS can charge out with relative impunity and cream stuff.

Melta hurts, but that's why you have the THSS and Meph. Screen with the THSS to stop melta getting close, if people do jump out to melta you, rape them with Meph.

Against other armies, this could work too. Meph carries this list against lots of armies. So many lists struggle to kill him at range, that he can usually rape face with relative impunity (just dont do anything stupid like run him into THSS or the like).

Objectives missions are a piece of cake, hang back with your four av14 boxes and laugh at your opponents attempts to destroy them. KP's should go fine too, the list is really stingy on giving up KP's, while you can pick them up with your 8 lascannons going into 8 rhino's each turn.

One thing though: pray to god you dont end up facing Dark Eldar. Or you are well and truly fethed. Luckily, Deldar armies are already a fairly rare sight in tournaments, and now with GK raping them 9 games out of 10, they should get even rarer.

C&C welcome.

I think having the four Land Raiders is interesting but just seems a big solid force in terms of power which can't take a huge amount of damage. I think it's taliored against Grey Knights and that's all it's really going to work against and maybe Orks.

Space Wolves? Long fangs can't do jack gak.

IG with manticores hurts, fair enough.

Granted, Tau can hurt the raiders, until Meph rapes them in the ass.

Deldar is your worst nightmare, hope you don't face them

Most other armies, dont let melta close with you and you'll be fine.

I used to run 3 LRs with my IW list back in the day before I really understood how the game works. It sounds awesome. Looks awesome. Isn't awesome. LRs are hard to kill, but with a lack of anything else to shoot at, even those MLs are gunna hurt you eventually. Once your LRs are popped (and they will pop) you have nothing left. Normal LRs just don't have enough fire power to stop a whole army by themselves. At best, you'll draw every game, at worst, you'll get tabbled very early.

As a psycannon spammer I can say with enough psycannons you will get torn up, at the very least, your LRs won't do anything.

In closing, I totally disagree with everyone else that's posted, lol. I don't think it'll work at all.

Jabbdo wrote:Space Wolves? Long fangs can't do jack gak.

IG with manticores hurts, fair enough.

Granted, Tau can hurt the raiders, until Meph rapes them in the ass.

Deldar is your worst nightmare, hope you don't face them

Most other armies, dont let melta close with you and you'll be fine.

What I mean is against say melta they'd be wasted quickly. So they can't take the wrong amount if fire power is what I should have said. And yes Dark Eldar would rape ass.

4 land raiders can't work....

Then how did jawaballs go 2-1 at the last battle for salvation tourney. He pretty much played the same list at 1850pts.. Meph, one termie squad and two other raiders. He lost to grey knights though.

the list i generally run would eat this list up, actually. Every squad has meltaguns, and i have all of two tanks. Just take out the terminators with the long guns (two to three turns of missile launchers and lascannons WILL whittle them down, 3+ or no 3+) so that by the time my 50 some assault marines get there, with all their meltaguns, i can pop landraiders no problem. and mephiston wants to come play? whatever. Astorath the Captain + Honour Guard can take him out, and if not, i have plenty of lightning claws / fists.

The landraiders just dont have enough firepower to take out an approaching army. 4 landraiders arent worth 1000 points. 1 landraider might be worth 250, sure, but they lose effectiveness the more you have

i have to say that 4x landraider &mephiston facing off against gk kinda makes them cry.
sure the list can be beaten by melta spam but i think its more intended to be a counter gk list than an "ill smash every other build there is" kind of list.
would be nice to try with my gk to face off against it,would surely be an interesting game.

Yeah, there are a lot of lists besides DE that would give you a big problem. I accept that anything with a Meltagun that gets close is in trouble, but you only have 4 vehicles, and together they make up about 60% of your army's points. Mech IG with Melta vets can simply move up, shoot at a Landraider, write off the whole squad and still win the battle of attrition. It isn't the worst matchup in the world for you, but certainly no cake walk.

Other armies that I think would be a huge problem:

1. Descent of Angels. You have very little anti-infantry firepower, and Mephiston will suffer from the hidden Power Fists. The stuff in your list that can hurt the core of this army (the Assault Squads) are spread too thin.

2. Tau. Proof: Obvious.

3. Necrons, especially if they bring Heavy Destroyers. Even without them, they have a chance to glance you to death.

4. Some kinds of Ork armies. If they have enough Battlewagons, you're in trouble. You aren't going to be able to get side shots at them until it's too late. If they focus on Lootas and Nob bikers, you're in good shape.

I run a Corteaz based GK army I would love for you to deep strike your army near his unit. 3 Jakeros , 3 melta servitors, 3 plasma guns. + 2 other melta units in vehicles, strength 10 demon hammers on purifiers.

Fun list yes, effective no

The other way I have seen GK run is with psycannon spam, again LR no problem.


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I run a Corteaz based GK army I would love for you to deep strike your army near his unit. 3 Jakeros , 3 melta servitors, 3 plasma guns. + 2 other melta units in vehicles, strength 10 demon hammers on purifiers.

Fun list yes, effective no

The other way I have seen GK run is with psycannon spam, again LR no problem.

0 offensive capabilities.

no anti infantry , minimal anti-tank.




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haizelhoff wrote:4 land raiders can't work....

Then how did jawaballs go 2-1 at the last battle for salvation tourney. He pretty much played the same list at 1850pts.. Meph, one termie squad and two other raiders. He lost to grey knights though.

I wouldnt ever do this..... Dont say because _______ won with _______ list , it doesnt mean it will work for you.

Ive run alot of eldar lists that others have had success with, and I just dont do well with them. Then I run my own eldar lists and do really well. Alot about a 40k list is using a list that suites your own playstyle, and using a list that you can use to perfection.

I can't fully remember mephiston's rules but since he's a psychic one wound from a GK could kill him if he fails a LD test with the nemesis force weapons

Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:I can't fully remember mephiston's rules but since he's a psychic one wound from a GK could kill him if he fails a LD test with the nemesis force weapons

As would all Space Marine/Blood Angel Librarians. Nothing new there. But getting that wound in the first place is alot harder with Mephiston if you play it smart. Hell, your basic Epistolarian with Mephy-style artificer armour and plasma pistol is almost as expensive. And he would be just 2W, T4, WS5 and casts one less power per turn. And you haven't even startet on the MC-statline and the funky gaze. Add Transport and a baby-sitting squad to your basic Librarian, and Mephiston starts looking like a point-saver real quick, even if stays his sword and just annoys the Grey Knights with his hood.