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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/27 13:51:15
Subject: 1750 Dark Eldar, WWP. Critique needed.
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So I've been trying my hand at building a Webway list. Seeing as we'll be getting a whole bunch of nice models.
This is what I came up so far, would be great if I could get some advice/critique on the list.
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1x Duke Sliscus the Serpent 150pts
2x Haemonculus 190pts
- Liquifier Gun
- Webway Portal
Elites
5x Incubi 145pts
- Klaviex
- Demiklave
4x Kabalite Trueborn 68pts
- 2x Splinter Cannon
Troops
9x Wracks 100pts
- Liquifier Gun
9x Wracks 100pts
- Liquifier Gun
10x Wyches 170pts
- 2x Razorflail
- Haywire Grenades
- Hekatrix
- Agoniser
10x Wyches 170pts
- 2x Razorflail
- Haywire Grenades
- Hekatrix
- Agoniser
Dedicated Transports
1x Venom 65pts
- Splinter Cannon
2x Raider 140pts
- Flickerfield
Heavy Support
2x Talos Pain Engine 220pts
- Chain Flails
1x Ravager 115pts
- Flickerfield
TOTAL: 1633
REMAINING: 117
The idea is that the wracks go into the raiders with one Haemonculus each, the deploy the WWPs. The Trueborn go with the Duke inside a venom, they deploy through a
WWP or from deepstrike depending on whats needed. The ravager will do the same depending on situation. Everything else will deploy through the WWPs.
I'm not sure what to do with the remaining points, or if I have enough anti-tank for a list at this point level. So thus I put my list at the mercy of those better than me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/27 14:03:59
Subject: 1750 Dark Eldar, WWP. Critique needed.
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Werewolf of Angmar
Far over the MistyMountains cold
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how about scourges or a grotesque. or a Sucubus to lead you wyches?
you can do a lot with 117 points
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/28 02:55:42
Subject: 1750 Dark Eldar, WWP. Critique needed.
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You have 3 Dark Lances, 2 MC's, a Blast Pistol and a bunch of Haywire Grenades for your anti tank, which is nowhere near enough.
The Duke doesn't really have a place in this list, he is expensive (particularly at this points level) and you only have a couple of Wych units to make use of Drugs and 1 small Trueborn unit (and can't make use of Low Orbit at all).
Incubi don't really have a place in a Portal list. They are obvious targets no matter what you do, but in a Portal list they aren't fast enough to get into combat the turn they arrive and outside of a transport they are going to die.
Trueborn probably need to be anti tank rather than anti infantry. Also the Venom is a pretty obvious target because mid game its going to be the only target worth shooting (because the Raiders will be empty or already dead).
I'm not sure deploying the Portal like you describe will work very well. If the Wracks get out with the Haemonculi then you might save the Haemonculi for a turn, but those Wracks are going to be stuck in midfield and are unlikely to survive. If only the Haemonculi gets out then the Wracks might get to assault some out of the Raider, but if you do that you could just as easily take a minimum sized unit and spend the points on proper assault units. The other thing you need to consider is what happens if you don't get the first turn. Currently you probably instantly lose against anything with long ranged shooting, there is no way you can hide 2 Raiders completely so you can keep them around till your first turn.
One of the best things about taking a Portal list is that you can push Wych units up above 10 strong. In general the extra bodies are worth more than the Wych weapons. You could also do with another scoring unit, because both those Wrack units are going to be in very exposed positions and you don't really want Wyches to have to hang back and camp on an objective.
Talos are one of the few places you can get Heat Lances and Haywire Blasters, and accurate one because they are twin linked. They won't be able to assault very often on the turn they arrive, so you want them to be able to help do some damage until they can.
The Ravager is very out of place in this list.
When you are building the Portal based list usually the first thing you are going to do is max out your Heavy, Fast and Elites slots (unless its a Hellions list with the Baron basically). The idea is to hit as hard as possible when you arrive (as in the turn you arrive, so it needs some speed and/or range in case they back off a bit) and be able to kill vehicles and infantry just as easily. This means 3 Talos, 3 Beast units/Reavers/Scourges and 3 Trueborn/Grotesques should be the first things into your list (probably cut down to 2 units of each in this case as its 1750pts).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/28 23:07:50
Subject: Re:1750 Dark Eldar, WWP. Critique needed.
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@Powerguy: Thanks for a very informative reply, you've given me a lot to think about. I'm going to be reworking my list as soon as I get some time, and I'll post it again when it's finished. I haven't been playing much DE at all so I'm quite lost when it comes to putting a proper list together. For example, is a Archon a good choice or just a point sink in a WWP list? Is it better to just throw in some more homonculi instead to get some more pain tokens and liquifiers?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/28 23:38:46
Subject: Re:1750 Dark Eldar, WWP. Critique needed.
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Mounted Kroot Tracker
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I say yes on the Haemies, but boost those wyches to 15 model units. Units of 10 wyches exist simply because that's how many models can fit in a raider (well, usually 9 wyches and a haemonculus). In a WWP list, you get to bypass that, and take a full unit of 15 wyches and a haemonculus. You pay the same points, but an extra 6 models start the game with feel no pain.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/29 03:33:37
Subject: 1750 Dark Eldar, WWP. Critique needed.
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Lethal Lhamean
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chimu wrote:The Trueborn go with the Duke inside a venom, they deploy through a
WWP or from deepstrike depending on whats needed. The ravager will do the same depending on situation. Everything else will deploy through the WWPs.
I would re-read how WWP works. Vehicles? Not so much.
A lot of the rest of the advice here is pretty good - you don't have enough Wyches or enough need to go DS to justify Duke S as a valid HQ choice. With WWP I am strongly coming around to Baron Sathy as the HQ of choice after Haems, pair him with a Beastmaster unit and you get a very important +1 to the first player roll, which is especially vital to WWP, and Beasts are excellent popping out of a portal. I don't have anything else that's new to add to the discussion, hope this helps.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/29 07:25:32
Subject: Re:1750 Dark Eldar, WWP. Critique needed.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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chimu wrote:@Powerguy: Thanks for a very informative reply, you've given me a lot to think about. I'm going to be reworking my list as soon as I get some time, and I'll post it again when it's finished. I haven't been playing much DE at all so I'm quite lost when it comes to putting a proper list together. For example, is a Archon a good choice or just a point sink in a WWP list? Is it better to just throw in some more homonculi instead to get some more pain tokens and liquifiers?
I would say an Archon is a bad choice in a WWP list, mostly because he is always going to be on foot. They are too expensive to use to deploy the Portals (you can maybe keep an Archon + unit alive for a turn when you drop the Portals, but you are unlikely to be in range to assault anything so die the turn after), but otherwise the only real unit they will work with is big units of Wyches on foot (everything else is faster) and they aren't exactly a point efficient way of giving them some extra punch. The first thing into a Portal list is always going to be 2 Haemonculi with Portals (Liquifers and other equipment are bonus if you can afford them items), which means your 2nd HQ slot has to be spent wisely. More Haemonculi could be useful if you have big units of Reavers or are using Grotesques, but not much else desperately needs that Pain Token to start with. Beasts and Harlies can't use them, Scourges and Trueborn don't need them, its probably overkill on Wyches or Warriors and Hellions are better off with the Baron as your second HQ.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/29 10:15:02
Subject: Re:1750 Dark Eldar, WWP. Critique needed.
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Thanks for all the good input! I've reworked my list with the advice you all gave me in mind. This is what I came up with this time, let me know what you think.
HQ
1x Haemonculus 65pts
- Liquifier Gun
- Venomblade
1x Haemonculus 80pts
- Liquifier Gun
- Shattershard
- Venomblade
2x Haemonculus 190pts
- Liquifier Gun
- Webway Portal
Elites
3x Grotesques 140pts
- Liquifier Gun
- Aberration
- Scissorhand
3x Grotesques 140pts
- Liquifier Gun
- Aberration
- Scissorhand
Troops
4x Wracks 40pts
4x Wracks 40pts
15x Wyches 210pts
- Hekatrix
- Agoniser
- Haywire Grenades
15x Wyches 210pts
- Hekatrix
- Agoniser
- Haywire Grenades
Fast Attack
4x Reavers 113pts
- Blaster
- Grav-talon
5x Scourges 140pts
- 2x Blaster
Dedicated Transport
2x Venom 130pts
- Splinter Cannon
Heavy Support
2x Talos Pain Engine 240pts
- Chain Flails
- Twin-linked heat lance
TOTAL: 1738pts
REMAINING: 12pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/29 10:57:39
Subject: Re:1750 Dark Eldar, WWP. Critique needed.
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Sybarite Swinging an Agonizer
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Shattershard can only be taken once in an army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/05/29 22:00:09
Subject: Re:1750 Dark Eldar, WWP. Critique needed.
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Hmm, I suppose reading the codex more carefully might be an idea.  I updated the list to be legal, took the extra points and added another reaver.
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