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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot




Phoenix, Arizona

Ok so this has not come up yet, but one day I am sure it will and I want some advice.

Here is the scenario:

I have a unit of say 10 warriors who are all killed from shooting and are all allowed their wbb saves because there is another unit of warriors with models less than 6 inches away from every downed warrior, imagine two lines, front one dies. All of the 10 warriors fail their respective wbb saves. Fortunately I have a monolith on the table, which when it teleports a unit of necrons allows them to re-roll their wbb.

So here is the question:

Can they be teleported and what squad?

I can see a few possible answers (in approximate order of likelihood)

a) because there is no living member of the unit, it cannot be teleported by the monolith and thus the whole unit dies.

b) it can be teleported because the monolith does not specify the condition of the necrons it is teleporting. (I couldn't find anything that said you have to teleport a squad containing a single member not laid on its side)

c) because the necron warriors must join the closest squad when they are raised from wbb (thus they join the 10 man squad 6" away) transporting that squad allows for wbb rolls for the downed necrons.

If warriors are hard to imagine, go for a unit of 3 wraiths or 1 heavy destroyer.


*edit for clarification

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/05/27 20:53:55


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A key aspect of WBB is damaged models are treated as battlefield debris for normal game purposes including checking for range for game activities (shooting, assaulting, etc). Thus, only "living" models are used to check range for such things as the ResOrb and WBB (you can't use a damaged model for WBB range for another damaged model, for example.)

The Monolith can teleport a unit that is within 18" of it. Damaged models within a teleported unit get to reroll any failed WBB rolls. There doesn't need to be a like model within 6" of the damaged model to get the reroll, per the FAQ.

In your example, all the damaged models of the unit of ten warriors are in range of a "living" model, the each model gets a WBB roll. For the unit to be teleported by the Monolith, the unit needs to check to see if it's within range of the Monolith. The damaged unit cannot do this since there is no "living" model to check the range. As stated above, damaged models cannot be used to for purposes of measuring for range.

So, no, you cannot teleport the unit of damaged models.

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A is the correct answer.

B doesn't work, because the downed Necrons are just markers. WBB is the only rule that applies to them until they get back up.

C doesn't work because they do not join the other unit until they get back up.


If you had a single model left from the original unit, then you could teleport them, in which case they would all get their WBB rolls, regardless of whether or not they were still within 6" of another model after teleporting, as per the FAQ.


And just because your initial question is a little unclear, it's possibly worth pointing out that the whole unit doesn't automatically get WBB just because another unit is within 6" of the unit... Each model has to be within 6" of another model of the same type.

 
   
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot




Phoenix, Arizona

Ah yes sorry, posted quickly was trying to say that they could all theoretically get a wbb roll (like i said its easier to imagine destroyers or wraiths or maybe just a unit of 3 models left).

Anyways that is basically what I thought just wanted to make sure!


This leads me to a second question.

Assume the same scenario as the first, all 10 are able to roll for wbb and do. Then 5 get up and join the nearby squad. By the same logic as above is it safe to assume that the other 5 necrons who failed their wbb rule can not be teleported through the monolith.

My logic is that the 5 who do make their wbb rolls are no longer part of the original squad so the monolith can still not teleport the squad with the downed warriors as there is nothing to target.

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Yes, they cannot be teleported.

Until you make WBB you stil "belong" to your original unit - so the 5 downed models belong to a unit which has no standing members, and so cannot be targetted by the Monolith
   
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Phoenix, Arizona

Thanks everyone, glad to know my instincts weren't really off.

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