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Why did you never start or alternately stop playing/collecting Heavy Gear?
Never heard of it... what's Heavy Gear?
Don't like the mech minis genre in general.
Don't like the look of Heavy Gear specifically (art, minis, etc).
Don't like the price of Heavy Gear (books, minis, etc).
Don't like the mechanics of the game/silhouette system.
Don't like edition changes in Heavy Gear every 2-3 years.
Couldn't find any opponents to play against.
Couldn't find any of the products locally to buy.
Other (please elaborate below)
Inadequate support from DP9 (expansions, communication with fans, FAQs, etc).
Power creep and unequal efficacy between factions.
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 Pointman wrote:
On the other hand I doubt I would have purchased a peace river and a nucoal army if I had to do it in metal, so I think it is a fair tradeoff somehow. Now I can field a badlands force with north, south, peace river and nucoal models cheaply.


Good point... especially if you add in the even more unlikely scenario that you'd be willing to pay 6-12 months in advance for them to ship you that resin/metal order even if you placed it.

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DP9 releasing another shoddy, mediocre product that only True Fans™ will welcome ? Color me surprised. Not.

How long did it take for this one, 2 years or something ? I don't keep track anymore.

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are you not bored of the "true fans" thing?
You are stuck in your own age man.

The plastics are cheap miniatures, that's it. I buy Zvezda miniatures for medieval and modern too, because they are cheap not because they are as good as pewter miniatures like Specter for example. Would you say Zvezda makes mediocre products that only fans like?

Cheap is a good trait in itself. And they are not bad at the price they are tagged.I just expected better but that's it.
   
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Eh, I dunno... cheap plastics have their place, but these are only cheap (ish) if you're in the States. Anywhere else? They're GW-price level, what with shipping and taxes and customs and such.

What they aren't GW-level, though? Quality. So... yeah.

Personally? Well, now I'm into 3d-printing at home, and currently I'm backing multiple Patreons, to the tune of about $60 per month. I'd personally be all for them making decently detailed and poseable STL files of their stuff, I'd probably buy them stuff again, if that was the case.

EDIT: ...and now I've actually gone to their store to see their current prices... feth me. $6-11 for a single plastic Gear? Holy gak, that's expensive as feth. And that's not even looking at their JC stuff... what in blazes. The starters at $60 are a bit better, but then again... it's 14 minis for $60. That's pretty much GW level, right there, and before the aforementioned shipping, taxes and customs charges.

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That would be a good idea, they got late to the plastic party without the right tools and skills. And probably plastic will only be the best solution for the games with dozens of models in the table not for skirmish games.

3D printing is something else now, you can make very detailed models with them. And maybe the best solution for games with low model count and lots of customization.

   
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Inexpensive.

Detailed.

Variety.

Typically you can only pick two in plastic unless you've got a lot of money up front. That isn't typically the case for small companies unless you really go bonkers on the detail like the kingdom death or whatever it was called and raise equally bonkers money during the campaign.

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 warboss wrote:
Inexpensive.

Detailed.

Variety.

Typically you can only pick two in plastic unless you've got a lot of money up front. That isn't typically the case for small companies unless you really go bonkers on the detail like the kingdom death or whatever it was called and raise equally bonkers money during the campaign.


Well, it really depends, but the current crop kind of feels like the worst of both worlds, to me... limited poseability without cutting up stuff, shallow details, compromises taken everywhere... but still a lot of parts, apparently... I mean, they seem not to be as bad as PB's Robotech stuff... but then again, what is.
   
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The DP9 plastics don't do it for me at all, they're painfully static and the proportions don't quite look right (for gears at least, the Caprice plastics looked pretty spot on from what I could tell). That said, the metals are pretty fantastically awesome sculpts and are still an option, while the plastic ones are cheap enough that a 150TV army can almost be done for the same cost as a 50TV squad of metals (at least in the US), so there's pros and cons to each but the choices are available, and it appears DP9 basically just has one full time employee from what I can see so it's hard to hate too much, I can see where people don't like the plastics but I don't get the "true fans" thing.

I just dropped a huge order on DP9 for a variety of metal stuff since they were doing 20% off, and picked up one of the Utopia 2011 metal starter sets off Ebay for a decent price. At this point I'll be able to play everything but an Edenite force, and every native Terra Novan faction with a decent amount of variety.

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I fully expect their metal stuff to continue being good, as I have a crap ton of those still xd.
   
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I also don't expect mine to degrade in the next 1,000,000 years.

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Anyone been working on any HG stuff recently? I've been slowly collecting all the old RPG books while since the whole Covid19 thing started, most I was able to pick up for under $5 and probably all but a handful for under $15, but I've been shocked at how much some of the later (and substantially less important) books go for, like the Atlantis/CEF/Utopia sourcebooks which appear to run about fifty bucks with copies being limited to one or two on Ebay and Amazon and essentially nonexistent literally everwhere else, or the 2005 SilCore mini's book that is $90+ seemingly everywhere (and in the process I discovered that OOP forgeworld books...insanely pricey). It took more effort and time than I expected to find any of these at a sane price. I think the only thing I'm missing now is the 3E Earth Companion, but from what I gathered on the DP9 forums from older postings, that one was also one of the derpiest written too.

I've now got mini's to play every faction except Eden, just have to get it all built. Once I can do that, and get a decent table set up, I'm going to try doing some solo gaming with the 3.0 rules and get some battle reports up.

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Does following Ashley's blog count as working on HG stuff? If not, I haven't since 3d printing my custom gears and I've yet to paint them up. I'm surprised that the HG books are so expensive. Are they actually selling at that price or is it a pricing bot war with no takers? I've seen too many hobbyists sitting on products they're supposedly trying to sell because their prices are $5 less ludicrous than the next highest delusional seller. If no one is buying your stuff for months then it doesn't matter that you're cheaper than the next guy if you're both way overpriced.

Which FW books are going for a good amount? I've only got one (the revised Taros book) but I'd never sell it as I really enjoy the story in it. I also really liked their Vraks series but never owned those. I consider them the gold standard of 40k campaign settings personally.

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With respect to the pricey HG RPG books, I'm not sure how well they're selling, but the pricey ones are the ones are those that appear to be the hardest to find actually in stock/available (e.g. Life on Atlantis). Even when "cheap", they go for three or four times what most of the other books can be had for. The initial first ed Blitz army (swords of pride, etc) books also appear to be *very* pricey when found actually available $35-50. As I don't believe they have any new or interesting background that isn't found in older or newer books, and aren't relevant to the current edition, I'm not bothering to try and acquire them and have no idea what is driving that pricing because I can't see a reason for anyone to want them aside from just owning everything DP9 published. That said, Forged in Fire and Perfect Storm also remain basically at original MSRP, I have never seen Forged in Fire available for much under $50 since its release anywhere ever, I think I saw Perfect Storm for sale used for $25 once.

For FW, the "numbered" books are expensive, especially stuff like the Badab War books and Vraks and IA13, these generally tend to go for triple digit prices. Most of the other IA books, like the Apocalypse supplements/early 3E&4E books/early 6E Aeronautica/etc are relatively cheap. I've got hardcopies of IA 5/6/7 and the 7E IE:Vraks combination book, as well as IA11/12/13, so most of the expensive ones

What I was shocked to see however was that DP9 still had stock of some of these books, On the one hand, as a gamer, as a fan, I think it's rad that you can still get some of that stuff from DP9. On the other hand, recognizing that such books are 20+ year old dead inventory competing against a secondary market where excellent/Mint copies of anything DP9 is still selling are widely available at a substantial discount from far more accessible sale channels, the business side of my brain is horrified

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You definitely have a nice collection of the FW books. I figured the Vraks and Badab ones would be the most expensive as they had good stories (especially Vraks IMO). I'm a little cooler on Badab personally despite being a marine fanboy.

As for HG, I actually sold most the initial blitz books you mentioned for a pittance and counted myself lucky at the time that anyone was interested. The rules and fluff (and consequently page count) were anemic compared with later post FM books so I'm surprised they're popular compared with the Forged in Fire/Perfect Storm ones.

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The Vraks books are my fav for sure. I suspect the demand and supply for the old Blitz books is realistically basically zero on both ends reflecting in weird pricing of the one or two copies that are around, while FiF and PS both were imperfect works, they're beautiful books with tons of fluff and imagery and I could see someone dishing out for one of those if they're just big fans.

I'm working through building a bunch of stuff from my DP9 shipment last month still, mostly Utopia and Black Talons left and they're totally new to me. I finally picked up the 1/35th Kodiak and am in search of a good MRP to fit to it (since it doesn't actually come with one).

I'd really like to try and round up friends to run Jungle Drums, but that's not happening any time soon with Covid.




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 warboss wrote:
Does following Ashley's blog count as working on HG stuff?


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Speaking of, I actually just picked up Bad Dog. I have no idea when I'll get a chance to read it, but it's on the to-read great pile-o-books

Aside from that, here's the HG stuff assembled in the last month or so.



There's a bit of everything except Utopia pictured, I've yet to get around to assembling those.

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It's good to see so many new metals assembled. If you don't mind me asking, what brought on this seemingly sudden burst of HG hobby energy?

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 Vaktathi wrote:
Speaking of, I actually just picked up Bad Dog. I have no idea when I'll get a chance to read it, but it's on the to-read great pile-o-books

Aside from that, here's the HG stuff assembled in the last month or so.


Good job on assembling that pile. Good luck on getting to Bad Dog on your TBR pile. ;-)

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warboss wrote:It's good to see so many new metals assembled. If you don't mind me asking, what brought on this seemingly sudden burst of HG hobby energy?
Combination of stuff. Covid isolation kicked me off on hunting down the old RPG books for giggles and getting engrossed in all that lore, 40k getting increasingly derpy and difficult to keep up with, me liking the idea of solo home gaming, the new 3.0 HG rules actually looking fun and interesting (and not needing 3 or 4 MoS with a LAC to hurt a Hunter, and not having weird arbitrary armor numbers pulled from the RPG without the rest of the RPG context and stuff like ARM17 being notably more capable than ARM16 and just as good as ARM18, etc), playing with GearGrinder allows for lots of inspiration, and the DP9 store having everything 20% off for months

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 Vaktathi wrote:
Speaking of, I actually just picked up Bad Dog. I have no idea when I'll get a chance to read it, but it's on the to-read great pile-o-books

Aside from that, here's the HG stuff assembled in the last month or so.


Good job on assembling that pile. Good luck on getting to Bad Dog on your TBR pile. ;-)


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 Vaktathi wrote:
warboss wrote:It's good to see so many new metals assembled. If you don't mind me asking, what brought on this seemingly sudden burst of HG hobby energy?
Combination of stuff. Covid isolation kicked me off on hunting down the old RPG books for giggles and getting engrossed in all that lore, 40k getting increasingly derpy and difficult to keep up with, me liking the idea of solo home gaming, the new 3.0 HG rules actually looking fun and interesting (and not needing 3 or 4 MoS with a LAC to hurt a Hunter, and not having weird arbitrary armor numbers pulled from the RPG without the rest of the RPG context and stuff like ARM17 being notably more capable than ARM16 and just as good as ARM18, etc), playing with GearGrinder allows for lots of inspiration, and the DP9 store having everything 20% off for months


Fair enough. Don't forget to post a link to any new blog WIP thread if you start one! I haven't looked at the metals' prices in years. Have they raised them in recent years?

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I'll have to start a new thread, I always forget about the one in my sig that's like 8 years old

Oddly enough, looking at the DP9 prices now and the email invoices I have from 2012, it appears the metals are actually...cheaper, and that's not accounting for inflation. In 2012 a Tiger 2 pack (DP9-9098) was $20.75 (inflation adjusted that's ~$23.30), now in 2020 DP9-9098 is $17.99, and currently on sale is available for $14.39. Similar thing with the Cheetah on the same 2012 order.




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I had plenty of frustrations with the design and sprue layout of the Northern and Southern starter plastics but still liked the models and setting enough to get them set up. The Caprice sculpts were a big step up and the most recent plastics for NuCoal and Peace River show marked improvements - the arms and shoulder are separate pieces and the legs are on ball joints so it is much easier to get different poses. They have also stopped putting sprue connections on absurd places (like the eye piece of each mech’s head for example). Very excited to put these new ones together
   
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Vaktathi wrote:I'll have to start a new thread, I always forget about the one in my sig that's like 8 years old

Oddly enough, looking at the DP9 prices now and the email invoices I have from 2012, it appears the metals are actually...cheaper, and that's not accounting for inflation. In 2012 a Tiger 2 pack (DP9-9098) was $20.75 (inflation adjusted that's ~$23.30), now in 2020 DP9-9098 is $17.99, and currently on sale is available for $14.39. Similar thing with the Cheetah on the same 2012 order.


I have to say that's a pleasant surprise! I lucked out and got most of my northern and southern minis when various online stores that started stocking HG during the various Blitz eras (original, L&L, FM) were getting rid of their stock. There was a bit of sticker shock for me when I had to pay full price or close to it and was expecting it to be even worse given the number of years since and with the plastics being around for a potential lower priced option.

Gasmasked Mook wrote:I had plenty of frustrations with the design and sprue layout of the Northern and Southern starter plastics but still liked the models and setting enough to get them set up. The Caprice sculpts were a big step up and the most recent plastics for NuCoal and Peace River show marked improvements - the arms and shoulder are separate pieces and the legs are on ball joints so it is much easier to get different poses. They have also stopped putting sprue connections on absurd places (like the eye piece of each mech’s head for example). Very excited to put these new ones together


If you've got stuff from both, it might be interesting to post some side by side comparison pics to show off the difference in possible poses. Glad to hear they're better though. I was still actively involved in the DP9 forums when the first KS arrived and I wasn't impressed with the results compared with the aging metals.

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So, enlighten me on Heavy Gear. I know it's Mecha, and I know Mecha are cool. But I don't know much besides that-can anyone link me to resources on how to buy the minis, how to play, etc. etc.?

Thank you!

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 JNAProductions wrote:
So, enlighten me on Heavy Gear. I know it's Mecha, and I know Mecha are cool. But I don't know much besides that-can anyone link me to resources on how to buy the minis, how to play, etc. etc.?

Thank you!


These days Heavy Gear is pretty much Direct only, availability through distributors seems to wax and wane every few years and they do a lot through Kickstarter now. Dream Pod 9's website is a little janky currently, for some reason trying to access the webstore anywhere else but directly from the main site suffers redirect issues for some people sometimes. They have two parallel lines of mini's, inexpensive plastics and pricier metals. The plastics aren't the greatest sculpts in the world (though the newer ones are definitely better, and I actually think the Caprice ones are pretty on par with their resin/metal versions) and are pretty static for poses, but the metals are (mostly) stunningly awesome sculpts. That said even the priciest DP9 models are generally cheaper than a GW equivalent sized model, with the exception of some of the larger resin vehicles, a metal Kodiak or King Cobra that are about the same size/heft as the old metal Chaos Obliterators runs about $19 at full price (about where Obliterators were..15 years ago in 4E ).

As for how to play, currently the rules are in a bit of flux, DP9 does make physical print books, but the game uses a "living rulebook" that can be updated every few months online, though is currently in the process of finalizing for a 3rd iteration of printing, so the current print rulebook is out of date. All the rules are available for free if you go register at www.dp9forum.com and you can find the rules available once logged in here in draft Word and Excel format. They do currently have an online army builder/unit list as well called Gear Grinder.

Unfortunately the current rules don't include much story/lore content however, and that's the best part of Heavy Gear, to get the best bits of that you'll have to track down older books, but the good news is most of them are available for real cheap. There are background books for pretty much every major state/colony with 70-100 pages each from the old RPG era.

For a brief overview however
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In general, most of the game takes place on a world called Terra Nova, a former colony of Earth, and at its most basic there are two major polar powers, the Confederated Norther City States and the Allied Southern Territories.

The CNCS is composed of the Western Frontier Protectorate (military/clan based society with a strong old west vibe), the Northern Lights Confederacy (basically a modern western democracy but with a strong conservative religious streak), and the United Mercantile Federation (a Corporatist state where government is funded and voting rights allocated by purchasing electoral vouchers). Each League has its own military, but also contributes to the shared Northern Guard which is generally the most capable fighting force in the North and absorbs the others in times of major war. The NG tends towards specialized purpose-built units and its units tend to have more squared/box looks.

The AST is dominated by the Southern Republic (a fascist/imperialist state that strongly values personal freedom and individuality so long as one toes the state line), it also includes the Eastern Sun Emirates (ostensibly run by descendants of officers of a crashed spaceship, the Eastern Sun, as independent Emirs under a Patriarch, but largely is a puppet vassal state of the SR, who turned the Emirs into corrupt hedonists ruling over dirt-poor masses), the Mekong Dominion (southern counterpart to the UMF, but with an east-asian flavor), and the Humanist Alliance (a scientifically constructed collectivist society forced into the AST by the Southern Republic, lots of 1984/Brave New World vibes but nowhere near as bleakly dystopian, largely the most technologically advanced League on the planet). Like the CNCS, each league has its own military (in the Emirates case, each Emir has their own forces), but also contributes to the shared MILICIA. However, the Southern Republican Army is by far the largest and most powerful military force in the South, with the MILICIA being a supporting arm where disgraced SRA units/personnel or conscripts from other leagues are sent and are used for crappy/boring/dangerous/"dirty" work. Southern units tend to be more generalized in capabilities and have more rounded/curved looks.

Peace River is an independent corporate state and significant arms producer located in the badlands between the two polar powers. Tends to have even more generalist units than the South, with the idea that they often operate far from support and kinda have to do everything on their own, for instance where the Polar advanced strike gears like Jaguars and Black Mambas prioritize raw performance, the Peace River Warrior IV trades some agility for ECM capabilities and extended range sensors where a Polar force would have specialist units for that.

There's also NuCoal (New Coalition) that's composed of various badlands city states and remnants of the first CEF invasion, which has also since incorporated much of the Humanist Alliance after the SR actively attempted to annex the HA instead of just dominate it. NuCoal tends towards speed and hover units, with a strong Southern influence on designs.

The CEF is the Colonial Expeditionary Force, the military forces of a resurgent fascist Earth looking to reclaim its lost colonies (hundreds of years after abandoning them following a populist/nativist political party coming to power and ending subsidization of the "taker" colonies, and mothballing most ships capable of interstellar travel,, then blasting itself to pieces in a third world war for a couple hundred years), with a greater emphasis on (hover)tanks, energy & guided weapons, and super soldier infantry than on mechs/robots (though they do have some of their own).

There's the Black Talons, a force composed from all Terra Novan factions that are the elite of the elite formed to take the fight to the CEF. Top of the line equipment, veteran pilots, stealth ability, tons of maneuverability and rerolls, but with a small unit count.

Caprice is another colony world, largely run by a conglomeration of various megacorporations, with most of the planet living in a giant canyon trench with hundreds of milions of people in a giant megacity, that was reconquered by Earth and has been forced into collaboration as the staging point for Earth to retake its other former colonies and often has its forces conscripted to fight alongside the CEF. Their forces are composed of quadruped walkers that tends more towards slightly bigger/more powerful units than average Terra Novan units, but not radically so, though pretty much all their units are also excellent climbers.

Utopia is much the same as Caprice, but much more willing in its collaboration with the CEF and is built heavily around Drones and advanced technology. There's also Eden but they're not terribly well fleshed out.

One can also make a Badlands force made from the low to upper-mid-tier units of most of the other factions.



Here's a solid battle report for an average sized game showing NuCoal and Caprice.




Gasmasked Mook wrote:
I had plenty of frustrations with the design and sprue layout of the Northern and Southern starter plastics but still liked the models and setting enough to get them set up. The Caprice sculpts were a big step up and the most recent plastics for NuCoal and Peace River show marked improvements - the arms and shoulder are separate pieces and the legs are on ball joints so it is much easier to get different poses. They have also stopped putting sprue connections on absurd places (like the eye piece of each mech’s head for example). Very excited to put these new ones together
I haven't gotten to take a look at the NuCoal plastics in person, but the Caprice Plastics I was pretty impressed with.

 warboss wrote:

I have to say that's a pleasant surprise! I lucked out and got most of my northern and southern minis when various online stores that started stocking HG during the various Blitz eras (original, L&L, FM) were getting rid of their stock. There was a bit of sticker shock for me when I had to pay full price or close to it and was expecting it to be even worse given the number of years since and with the plastics being around for a potential lower priced option.
Yeah I was flabbergasted as well, but it definitely resulted in me spending way too much money the last couple months

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Being completely sick and tired of GW's hijinks I picked up the 2 player starter somewhere. And on an online EU store I managed to find some decals for North/South and a 'fer de lance'. Just had to pick that one up to paint it up as an 'ace pilot' or something.

I've decided to focus on other stuff than GW and HG seemed a good bet as my buddy already has a lot of Kickstarter stuff.
The metals are a bit expensive though.

When it comes to background material... what should I try to pick up to read up a bit on the fluff of my factions / paintschemes etc?
   
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I'm pretty salty regarding HG and my interaction with DP9 but I've loved the universe since almost the beginning (I didn't play Heavy Gear Fighter but got the rpg the weekend it came out at Gencon). If you like the rules and minis, enjoy yourself and don't worry about what other people think. Just be aware that DP9's hijinks over the past 25 years can make GW appear quite nice and that there are reasons why so many old time players are so vocal and why the game remained so niche. Maybe it's because I have only been following HG peripherally for a few years but it does seem like they've turned over a new leaf though... Whether that's due to a heartfelt change in attitude or desperation (or both) I can't say.

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Yeah my buddy mentioned it.
It seems to have improved with their Kickstarter era but that has it's own shortcomings.

I do have a giant Battletech collection but I felt going for something more mecha/mobile feeling mecha wise.

GW has my favourite IP's but their prices and the codexcycle + the whaling + many other things has pissed me off so much I decided to move on.
I'm going to move onto more 'standalone' experiences I suppose.
   
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I won't say they're guilty of whaling to any significant degree beyond introduction of better than average $$$ gearstriders and new faction powercreep but edition cycling has traditionally and repeatedly been a problem. Hopefully with the switch to a free living rulebook that won't be the case but for it was routine for books, miniature line, or even entire edition to be replaced after only 2-3 years. I won't comment further though so as not to dampen your enthusiasm but there are a 100+ pages in this thread that I started years ago to help DP9 prior to the unveiling of what would eventually become the initial version of the living rules that details the unnecessary drama from the point of view of multiple (admittedly biased) sources. Unfortunately, polite but uncomfortably honest discussions weren't tolerated either by both DP9 and a handful of fellow players on the official forums so I put it up here instead.I

If you haven't checked out the previously independent HG DMZ Facebook group, you probably should as well for a more optimistic take on everything HG.

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